Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Any cleric, while buffed, is a melee god on this server. They are invulnerable against mobs and simply beat down most bosses. That's any cleric (aside from purposefully gimped ones). Now if clerics wish to specialise further they can. But ANY cleric can melee pve content. If they can't and are constantly dying, it's a l2p issue.
@ARHicks: So what you're asking for is to grant clerics a PrC that allows them to be great at multiple things? But why should they be able to? Why should they be able to be great at melee, ranged, casting and healing all at once? Because Bards can? No, Bards and Favoured Souls aren't the yardstick here. The reality is, clerics are always a few clicks away from melee god-mode. They can heal and survive with the best of them and now with the advent of Heirophant, they can also be casters. They have enough feathers in their cap, so to speak.

AC81 wrote:They can heal and survive with the best of them and now with the advent of Heirophant, they can also be casters.

They could be pure casters even before Hierophant. The problem is, people complain first, and l2p...well, I wanted to say after, but in fact, it's never at this point. Just check stuff like the Bigby thread...every time I read these forums, I laugh my ass off.

AC81 wrote:it's a l2p issue.

Until March 2016, it was true for almost any balance complaint. Can't speak for the time after that, since I never logged in anymore, but I suspect that, broken stuff aside, it's pretty much the same situation today...

Akroma666 wrote:Aren't these kit classes still bugged? I know im sitting on level 10 with divinite level 1 again.

Yes, I think so. My Paladin has 7 levels of Divinate and 2nd level spells are not extended as it is supposed to be.

chambordini wrote:Honestly IDK if we'll be seeing any more class kits, not in the way paladins have them, the following is just my opinion but the paladin kits are mandatory for paladins and give them way too much power for virtually no drawback.

Cavalier loses
- Lay-on-hands.
- Turn Undead.
- Remove Disease.

Divinate
Loses acces to:
- Smite Evil
- Aura of Courage

Arent those drawbacks? Alright, the Cavalier kit was designed for STR pallies in mind. By removing TU you block the kit to EDM palladins. What are you saying that we should make that kit impossible to use for STR paladins?

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Atlas wrote:That is...

Nailed it. This is why I posted the Paladin Prestige class links.

AC81 wrote:@ARHicks: So what you're asking for is to grant clerics a PrC that allows them to be great at multiple things? But why should they be able to? Why should they be able to be great at melee, ranged, casting and healing all at once? Because Bards can? No, Bards and Favoured Souls aren't the yardstick here. The reality is, clerics are always a few clicks away from melee god-mode. They can heal and survive with the best of them and now with the advent of Heirophant, they can also be casters. They have enough feathers in their cap, so to speak.

No, no, no. I'm not asking for Clerics to be versatile or be gods, but earlier I was asking for kits to be added so they can venture into something else. BUT they may not needed since domains are kits in themselves. I was saying Clerics are a straight forward class with few PRCs that add anything they don't already get with their domains. (Which is why they are mundane) You want to be good at turning undead then get Sun domain. You want to be good at fighting then get Strength or Fury domain while using divine power. I was saying even if you gave Warpriest full progression, it would still be a bad PRC because it does not come with epic levels. Hell, the requirements for Warpriest are bad enough, but 1/2 progression and no epic levels make it worse. Ditto with Dragonslayer.

The only PRC with a saving grace is Hierophant because it make their spell damage/healing better though it may hurt their turn undead progression. Right now, I don't know how Advance Spell Power works so I can't say.

metaquad4 wrote: Hierophant is, of course, excellent (providing you with blast infidel/faith healing, increased caster level, runes, and better turning for the turning inclined).

Unless the Hierophant can maintain a full turn undead progression through Advance Divine Spell Power, the only thing it is good for is doubling your healing and negative level damage.

metaquad4 wrote:1) That is true of nearly anyone. You'll want to specialize, to be successful in nwn2.

That was not my point. As I said in my last post, a cleric can specialize or be versatility, but they are pretty mundane compared to a Bard or Druid for example. This isn't saying they are bad at what they do, but their strategy is pretty straight forward making their gameplay lacklustering, predictable, and to extend boring. Hierophant slightly changes this.

2) If you point silence on the ground, it is saveless.

And bard can walk out of it, not a new strategy. It was the same NWN1 strategy of putting an aura of silence around you and running at the enemy to pummel them into the ground.

3) Against dispels, you'll be gimped. And, you won't need that high of AB for everything. Just particularly tough fights. Use divine power, and save it for then. The AC on mobs here isn't that bad, its the HP that mobs here have.

I think my point about some of the non-custom and non-Kaedrin PRC classes for the Cleric is that they offer very little to diverge from a pure class build. If I can play a Cleric can that turn better (or just as good) than a doomguide/morninglord by picking a sun domain than why be a doomguide/morninglord? Why not just call myself that without cross-classing?

4) A bard...

I was not asking for all that. I was saying in a Cleric's attempt to be good at something they tend to have to focus on one thing at a time while bard can do three action at the same time. A cleric can heal and melee or heal and nuke, but never all three at the same time. I'm not saying the cleric should be like the bard DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'm saying the bard's ability makes them stand out both gameplay and roleplay wise. Ditto with Druid.

5) See my suggestion post about this...

I read your post. I think you misunderstand me or missed my point. I'm not asking for a powerbuild, but I'm personally trying to make a build that has meaning while functioning on this server.