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Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 pm
by Hoital
I don't mess with it, personally, and I don't think I'd miss it if it were gone. I will say it's damn annoying when you're trying to RP within speaking range of it, because it generates a -lot- of spam.
I'm not really concerned about it as an issue of morality or slippery slopes or whatever, I just personally find the thing annoying OOC for the spam.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:52 pm
by zhazz
Planehopper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:37 pm
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:13 pm
I don't think Tymora would appreciate casino machines in her temples. She is about taking changes, and gambling on good fortune, particularly among friends. But slots machines doesn't seem to fit her portfolio. That would be more in line Beshaba, who encourages misfortune, which slots machines definite are (house always wins).
Whatever else aside, gambling is in her portfolio. I'm not sure where your source is for making any sort of distinction, and think you're wrong for making one.
The distinction is purely on slots machines, and other similar devices found at casinos, rigged or constructed in such a way that while someone will occasionally get lucky, the house is overall the winner.
Would Tymora encourage gamblers to try their luck at a casino? Absolutely. Would she, with her portfolio of
good fortune, look favorably upon rigged gambling devices? I don't think so, although that is my personal oppinion.
Beshaba, with her portfolio of
bad luck and misfortune, would likely be more in favor of rigged gambling systems that would force gamblers into streaks of what they would perceive as Tymora turning her backs on them. Such is Beshaba's goal after all: To destroy Tymora — and what better way than to have gamblers curse Tymora for the bad luck at gambling systems they don't know are rigged, and instead turn to Beshaba for aid? Again this is personal oppinion.
Whether others agree on that is up to them. Such is the way of religion after all. There is no one single truth, but rather multiple interpretations.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:52 pm
by Planehopper
Tymoras faith teaches that one should be bold, for to dare is to live. The battle cry of the followers of Tymora is Fortune favors the bold. A brave heart and willingness to take risks beat out a carefully wrought plan nine times out of ten. One must place oneself in the hands of fate (meaning in the hands of Tymora) and trust to ones own luck. Tymoran clergy are told that the Ladys own luck never fails. If she appears to mortals as a victim of mischance or misfortune, she is doubtless causing this state of affairs as a deliberate test. Clergy members should know this, but not speak of it to those not in the Ladys service. Priests of Tymora should bear and conduct themselves as their own masters, showing their good fortuneand acceptance of bad fortuneas a confidence in the Lady and in themselves.
Argue for the removal on whatever merits you like, but the dogma of Tymora is clearly not a reason to have it removed.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:03 am
by c2k
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:52 pm
Planehopper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:37 pm
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:13 pm
I don't think Tymora would appreciate casino machines in her temples. She is about taking changes, and gambling on good fortune, particularly among friends. But slots machines doesn't seem to fit her portfolio. That would be more in line Beshaba, who encourages misfortune, which slots machines definite are (house always wins).
Whatever else aside, gambling is in her portfolio. I'm not sure where your source is for making any sort of distinction, and think you're wrong for making one.
The distinction is purely on slots machines, and other similar devices found at casinos, rigged or constructed in such a way that while someone will occasionally get lucky, the house is overall the winner.
Would Tymora encourage gamblers to try their luck at a casino? Absolutely. Would she, with her portfolio of
good fortune, look favorably upon rigged gambling devices? I don't think so, although that is my personal oppinion.
Beshaba, with her portfolio of
bad luck and misfortune, would likely be more in favor of rigged gambling systems that would force gamblers into streaks of what they would perceive as Tymora turning her backs on them. Such is Beshaba's goal after all: To destroy Tymora — and what better way than to have gamblers curse Tymora for the bad luck at gambling systems they don't know are rigged, and instead turn to Beshaba for aid? Again this is personal oppinion.
Whether others agree on that is up to them. Such is the way of religion after all. There is no one single truth, but rather multiple interpretations.
Actually yes she would. If you played the Baldur's Gate games, you can visit a carnival and "take your chance with the Lady Tymora".
EDIT: Its a carnival with a gambling tent
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:56 am
by wangxiuming
A better question to ask may be if the GAMBLOR is actually rigged? =X
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:23 pm
by Kiran
If it offered any kind of roleplay, it should perhaps stay, but honestly, it only offers spam and seems very ooc.
And if it is actually causing some harm to a player emotionally, and that player is asking for its removal, I don't see the big issue in it's removal personally.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:19 pm
by kham
This may sound cold but I’m not in favor of removing content just because one player finds it disturbing. DnD delves into many dark themes to include murder, drug use, racism, prejudice, and slavery - just to name a few, each of which can serve as a trigger for someone who’s had a traumatic experience. If such things cause you distress simply step away from the game (or specific zone) the same way you would avoid a movie (or another video game) with disturbing themes. We all know this is a PG-13 server so we’re all aware of what to expect when we log on. So you can either chose to participate in the world as it is or avoid it – this gaming world isn’t intended to serve as a complete safe space from the ills of RL.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:23 pm
by Xorena
The other option is to put a limiter on it to prevent excessive spam/gambling. The OOC spam people have mentioned is an annoyance.
Make the dialogue only fire once every ten minutes, or only one use per reset. Whatever.
There are solutions if you want to change it.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:23 pm
by zhazz
c2k wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:03 am
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:52 pm
Planehopper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Whatever else aside, gambling is in her portfolio. I'm not sure where your source is for making any sort of distinction, and think you're wrong for making one.
The distinction is purely on slots machines, and other similar devices found at casinos, rigged or constructed in such a way that while someone will occasionally get lucky, the house is overall the winner.
Would Tymora encourage gamblers to try their luck at a casino? Absolutely. Would she, with her portfolio of
good fortune, look favorably upon rigged gambling devices? I don't think so, although that is my personal oppinion.
Beshaba, with her portfolio of
bad luck and misfortune, would likely be more in favor of rigged gambling systems that would force gamblers into streaks of what they would perceive as Tymora turning her backs on them. Such is Beshaba's goal after all: To destroy Tymora — and what better way than to have gamblers curse Tymora for the bad luck at gambling systems they don't know are rigged, and instead turn to Beshaba for aid? Again this is personal oppinion.
Whether others agree on that is up to them. Such is the way of religion after all. There is no one single truth, but rather multiple interpretations.
Actually yes she would. If you played the Baldur's Gate games, you can visit a carnival and "take your chance with the Lady Tymora".
EDIT: Its a carnival with a gambling tent
I had competely forgotten about that part in the Baldur's Gate games. Maybe Tymora does condone gambling in all its forms, even rigged ones.
As for the topic itself, going back to that:
I would say remove the slots machine entirely. As others here have already voiced it serves no purpose, generating so little RP, but a lot of chat spamming, and some RL issues for others. I wouldn't recommend having it moved to the temple of Tymora at all, since it would then still be just as available, and any temple RP there would then be flooded with the spamming.
Keeping it in the game would be fine, but perhaps make it more of a curiosity that is available for a few days per year during festivals, carnivals and such, where one would expect to find curious gambling devices.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:30 pm
by Planehopper
The spamming into local is a toggle on the conversation. A 30 second fix (aside from the ages to open and save).
The RP it provides is obviously objective, like the RP of any system in game. Grinding, fishing, solo running quests, looting, and everything else in the game can be "minimal RP" if you dont RP while you do it. Gambling and games of chance are integral to the RP of the Tymoran faith, they are hardly minimal RP for them.
It's a conversation. Set up a token to block the conversation. Set it up so it is for Tymorans only. Set it up on a timer.
Lots of ways to fix this, if we are inclined to fix it for one player.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:15 am
by Endelyon
I've added a 20k hard cap to the amount you can bet (still a range of 1 GP to 10,000 GP per bet) within the course of day, pending the next server update. This should at least keep people from being too impulsive with it while still allowing it to exist for RP or general solo boredom.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:52 am
by DaloLorn
Planehopper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:30 pm
The spamming into local is a toggle on the conversation. A 30 second fix (aside from the ages to open and save).
It'd take
that long?
(Then again, I guess looking it up could actually take a fair bit
longer… and I won't comment on opening and saving.)
At any rate, it definitely seems like a good change to make.
The RP it provides is obviously objective, like the RP of any system in game.
Considering the rest of that paragraph (which I fully agree with), I think you meant subjective.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:05 am
by Planehopper
Lol. Yes. Subjective.
And the whole conversation being private deal - it may not be as easy as I thought, either. I know it's possible, still, but maybe it's more than 30 seconds.
I'm just gonna go hide in shame now.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:33 am
by LISA100595
Endelyon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:15 am
I've added a 20k hard cap to the amount you can bet (still a range of 1 GP to 10,000 GP per bet) within the course of day, pending the next server update. This should at least keep people from being too impulsive with it while still allowing it to exist for RP or general solo boredom.
Thank you Endelyon.
Re: The gamblor in the FAI Remove please
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:29 am
by Max Hatchet
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:52 pm
Planehopper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:37 pm
zhazz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:13 pm
I don't think Tymora would appreciate casino machines in her temples. She is about taking changes, and gambling on good fortune, particularly among friends. But slots machines doesn't seem to fit her portfolio. That would be more in line Beshaba, who encourages misfortune, which slots machines definite are (house always wins).
Whatever else aside, gambling is in her portfolio. I'm not sure where your source is for making any sort of distinction, and think you're wrong for making one.
The distinction is purely on slots machines, and other similar devices found at casinos, rigged or constructed in such a way that while someone will occasionally get lucky, the house is overall the winner.
Would Tymora encourage gamblers to try their luck at a casino? Absolutely. Would she, with her portfolio of
good fortune, look favorably upon rigged gambling devices? I don't think so, although that is my personal oppinion.
Beshaba, with her portfolio of
bad luck and misfortune, would likely be more in favor of rigged gambling systems that would force gamblers into streaks of what they would perceive as Tymora turning her backs on them. Such is Beshaba's goal after all: To destroy Tymora — and what better way than to have gamblers curse Tymora for the bad luck at gambling systems they don't know are rigged, and instead turn to Beshaba for aid? Again this is personal oppinion.
Whether others agree on that is up to them. Such is the way of religion after all. There is no one single truth, but rather multiple interpretations.
The Tymora thing is a fun diversion from what i think is a serious question... i agree that slotmachines/casinos are rigged and would be Beshaba territory
On a serious note if one person says it harms them that is a red flag that should be taken seriously and the community should be heard on this.
I am atually not active atm but plan to return soon (was planning after server split if that is still happening as i am on restricted internet during lockdown for downloading haks) so i have not seen this device. But listening to what other people say it sounds a bit unnecessary to me.