2H Sword girl build

[lavd]

Thank you. Makes sense no doubt. Takes focus from Greatsword though.
Requiem and run away from everything until it dies.
It begs to hid behind the shield with some scimitar.

Is there any BG specific AC spell for Bard?
Any feats to get to use with single weapon strength build like Northlander Hewing, One Weapon?

[zhazz]

Thank you. Makes sense no doubt. Takes focus from Greatsword though.
Requiem and run away from everything until it dies.
It begs to hid behind the shield with some scimitar.

Is there any BG specific AC spell for Bard?
Any feats to get to use with single weapon strength build like Northlander Hewing, One Weapon?

Best option is Athktatlan Triparite.

You limit yourself to 3 attacks per round, but gain +3 Dodge AC and Damage. With Haste it's still only 3 attacks per round, but the bonuses increase to +4.

Provided of course that you get 6 attacks per round before Haste.

If the build cannot sustain that, then Sembian Fencing will be better.

[lavd]

wow thanks zhazz
26bab+haste with Sembian Fencing can actually age well with Improve Power Attack
AB bonus capped at 8 right? so no more then 4 attacks to sacrifice.
even Bard20/FB10 with Song of Requiem
or F12/FB10/Bard8(As8)

occasionally switching to Athktatlan Triparite

add always hit Expose weakness

[Zkenic]

Expose Weakness requires evasion, so none of the three builds you put down would provide that.

[Valefort]

And expose weakness is not an auto hit on BG btw.

[lavd]

@Zkenic sorry, yes, was just thinking if it would make sense. Valefort's note means that it doesn't

@Valefort nor is shield bash?

[Zkenic]

Expose weakness is a pretty great ability. It -3 from the targets AC, and for every 2 of 5 rounds (I think) it is applied twice, so once you get started the enemy is going to have between -3 and -6AC. You could do 22bard/3rogue/5FB, for example, to get expose weakness. The biggest negative with that build is your bard CL suffers. In all honesty, 26bard/4rogue is also a pretty good combo, even if you are going full strength, just for that evasion + expose weakness.

[lavd]

I remember Expose weakness was useful when it always hit. How is Expose weakness real gameplay now that it doesn't?
If it doesn't hit then no -3 -6 AC

Maybe add Taunt?

How about AC problem? What would be baseline? Fighter with Tower and Fullplate?
10 + (8+1dex+4)Plate + 4+4Shield + 4dodge + 4natural + 4Deflect + 2Shield feats +2Heavy feats = 47?

If Bard goes medium with feat 10 + 8+3dexMithrail Fullplate + 4bracers + 4Shield brosh+ 4dodge + 4natural + 4Deflect + maybe 1 One Weapon stance? 42?

Any special BG feats to help with 2H AC?



btw no one suggests Paladin like Paths, are there none?

[lavd]

Hm, so Assassin Greater invisibility feat was replaced with regular spell? https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... y,_Greater
"The Assassin version of this spell has a duration of ten rounds per Assassin level instead of one round per caster level like the arcane spell. As such, the Assassin version will not stack with caster levels from other classes."
I though all assassin abilities are different, they were like tricks , not spells.

No Bard replacement with Assassin for protection then.

[Zkenic]

Paladins can definitely go 2handed, and there are an assortment of builds that will get you there.

As for EW, it was changed so that you activate the ability, and it will automatically apply the effect to your hits for you. Before hand you queue'd it up like feint, and it would automatically cause a hit against the target.

AC is always a mixed bag. One of the best things about going bard is that you can keep up displacement and mirror images, throw in an ethereal visage for the big fights, and suddenly have 40ish AC is not the worst. If you are going deep fighter, picking up CE/ICE can also help alleviate AC issues when using a 2hander.

[Steve]

With a 2-handed Bard and Battle Caster Feat, you should be getting AC 52 with Song of Heroism (along with Displaced Mirrors) which essentially equals invincibility unless Dispelled (which you will be by Mords and/or possibly Gr. Dispel).

[lavd]

@Zkenic I think same AC problem will apply to Pala and around. So they can go 2H but end up nowhere.

Yeah, CE/ICE is some help, maybe with Sembian Fencing https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Sembian_Fencing
Otherwise there is no AB to spare. I got my 2H Assassin to lvl 17 and with 29AB it miss like half times already. http://nwn2db.com/build/?326016

@Steve Nah 5 round Song of Heroism is clearly a joke. Hardly even for PvP, but who cares about PvP.
Bard and Battle Caster Feat is calculate earlier =42 AC, maybe you count the Shield?


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It could have survived some time with 42 AC and Concealment from Assassin but Greater invis is not working like Assassin's but as regular Spell.
Also discovered that all Assassins skills are dispellable - I was under impression those skills were not magic. Why would someone nerf assassin.

Looks like this push to caster only option with close to full Bard.
Unless anyone have ideas or there are some hidden BG feats-classes options.

[Steve]

Any Bard worth it’s merit gets Lingering Song for +5 rounds on Songs. When I count full AC, I count any and all options to stack it, including spells/wands/etc.

[zhazz]

For a good mix of defense and offense, without relying on buffs, but being able to, the following can work:

Fighter 12 / Dwarven Defender 10 / Divine Champion 8

Highlights: 48 AC, 46 AB, 40 avg dmg, 15 DR/-, 31/14/21 saves (+5 vs spells), Taunt DC 31.

IMA (wand), Tortoise Shell (elixir), and Shield (potion/wand) adds another +11 AC total for 59.
Defensive Stance adds another +4 AC on top for 63.

Alternate version replaces Athktatlan Triparite with Northlander Hewing for +5 damage and -5 AC, while gaining an additional attack. It is potentially more powerful, but also more reliant on buffs for defense due to losing 5 AC.

[lavd]

This is totally the best to survive through with 2H so far.
Just add a shield and you get Dral

*facepalm* just can't change the girl for the dwarf


Stated looking at Dervish more for 2H: full BAB, some AC, Slashing damage perks
https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Dervish unless wiki lies like it does for Assassin
Maybe F12 Dervish10 FB5 3something