Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

ajcolt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:02 am

JIŘÍ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:06 am Why should anyone be allowed to use afk to access otherwise inaccessible store or quest?

Or do evil quests as good aligned character with no consequences?

And the first case is having much further effect. It shuts down interaction with others, smuggling and alike.

Smuggling out of guild places is impossible without a DM since you have to godmod NPCs. It would also make people far more choosy in who they allow into their guildhalls. It would also inevitably lead to more metagaming and godmodding. Nor is it possible to be fair. Why do some player guildhalls get merchant vendors and some not? It's impossible to balance out.

PWs shouldn't favor or disfavor any race, class, faction, etc. If you'd like to take the time and put in the work to balance the quests out into good evil neutral orcs lawful chaos while also making it tempting for the other side to complete the quests with consequences I'm all for that!. Everyone would love you. But....... sitting on quest givers with scripted interactions likely godmodding NPCs or using meta to tail people who are doing quests runs while godmodding every npc is hardly "RP" to begin with.

If everything is supposed to be equal why races have unique perks and arent different only in color?

Why drow dont get xps on surface and surfacers in UD?

You can either have RP oriented persistent world, or balanced, fair and equal non RP server.

Is anyway someone forcing you to play anything that has ANY disadvantage? I played eilsitraeen drow and never a single time have i done an evil aligmented quest in the UD. What's the purpose to play something and spend half of time running with AFK flag above head?


And why should be smuggling godmodding? you bribe a person willing to take a risk to buy it and deliver where should not, also carrying risk of being discovered.

JIŘÍ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:42 pm And why should be smuggling godmodding? you bribe a person willing to take a risk to buy it and deliver where should not, also carrying risk of being discovered.

I believe the argument is that there is no risk of discovery, as normally players and NPCs cannot inspect the inventory of a character to discover potential contraband. As a result, the outcome of the interaction is dictated by the smugger - you get away scott-free or not by what you alone choose to reveal, rather than being a context of interests or skill.

On the original subject (of bumping into another PC) there is no hard ruling on the matter one way or another. As a player myself I didn't RP that someone mechanically bumped into my character unless they specifically emoted that they did so. I think this is the most fair way for everyone to treat this particular situation, since in 99 out of 100 cases it happened as a result of a mis-click or OOC mistake.

That said, there were plenty of times when people RPed that my bump was IC, and in that situation I think you're better off just rolling with it and reacting appropriately IC (be that apologizing or antagonizing or anything in between) rather than arguing with them about it OOC, unless they're using it as an excuse to escalate to PVP or something along those lines. It's not absurd that you might occasionally bump into someone else, and instead of it looking at it as someone godmodding your character you can look at it as a small RP opportunity.

Despite the lack of a hard ruling, I can assure you that under no circumstances would your PC bumping into another PC be consent for that player to PVP you. It does not meet the bar as a display of possible aggression or hostility to warrant consent to be attacked without RP-out.

Endelyon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:33 pm On the original subject (of bumping into another PC)...

I think they may have been using "bump into" idiomatically, and described a situation where a player was not RPing their character faithfully when no other users were around.

I can understand not wanting to walk large stretches when no other PCs are present, but in all other regards I would expect players to RP their character sheet regardless of whether or not anyone is looking. Many (not all, but a non-negligible portion of) players tend to consider RP to be only between PCs (and DMs), treating the rest of the server purely mechanically (read: OOC). Good aligned PCs summoning a demon in the first post (then insisting it's OOC when social accountability comes to enforce RP) is a good example of this.

In my mind, this is a cultural problem on the server, and one I wish we were able to address. As it is, we don't have the DM staff to be monitoring players and bestowing boons or imposing punishments based on how they RP when they don't know anyone is watching, so it's up to players.

My Two cents on grinding:

Stop looking at it as a chore to be gotten through, and use a little creativity and find someone to group with and have fun with it.

For more social oriented roleplayers: Try different areas, explore the server, make the effort to associate with new people and don't assume they are a mindless powergamer just because they like the action and adventure more than detailed social interactions.

For the powerbuilders/grinders: This is a roleplay server. Slow down and make the effort to include people that aren't necessarily focused on optimizing experience points per second on runs, and you may learn you have more ability to develop your characters than you thought.

In either case: you may end up with unlikely new friends.

I get it...there's only so many areas to go any so many creatures to kill before it gets tedious, but if you approach it as a challenge and a welcome part of the game instead of either a series of numbers to optimize or an essentially OOC chore - you might see it as one of the more fun and interesting aspects of virtual life on the server.