New RCR

[Hoihe]

There's also the fact that retraining and rebuilding are completely viable and supported things in pnp. 50% exp penalty works because you *are* retraining. You're sacrificing development of some abilities to develop new abilities. It takes time to get back up to where you were at previously. You shouldn't be able to just go instantly from one thing to the other.

Of course, that sucks when you're just correcting tiny mistakes, or things you didn't realize because of the custom stuff on BG and the lack of nwn2db type apps that account for all of BG's changes. But still, at least we have the option at all. And it's easier than ever to use with the way storage works, the NPC keeping your gold for you, and the exp remover and spell swapper NPCs.

If anyone wonders "where in PnP"

PhB II for 3.5 has clear delineated mechanics for changing feats, skills, classes and even species.

limitation is that you must have qualified for X if you change sth way earlier, and the more you change the more expensive and time consuming it is.

[Thaelis]

If anyone wonders "where in PnP"

PhB II for 3.5 has clear delineated mechanics for changing feats, skills, classes and even species.

limitation is that you must have qualified for X if you change sth way earlier, and the more you change the more expensive and time consuming it is.

Um....say what?

Maybe the whole PHB II should be taken with a pinch of salt in that case

When was the last time you saw someone retrain themselves into a dog?

*has a foreboding sense someone's gonna reply to this with a YouTube video*

[Rhifox]

If anyone wonders "where in PnP"

PhB II for 3.5 has clear delineated mechanics for changing feats, skills, classes and even species.

limitation is that you must have qualified for X if you change sth way earlier, and the more you change the more expensive and time consuming it is.

Um....say what?

Maybe the whole PHB II should be taken with a pinch of salt in that case

It should be noted that such a change requires going on a difficult and mystical quest. It is not just freely changing it. That being said, changing species is actually one of the easier things to do in dnd, and does not require a retraining/rebuilding process. The 4th level druid spell, Reincarnate, for example, is Raise Dead except it raises you in a new body, often as a new species.

And that's before we open the rabbit hole that is wish/miracle spells.

[Hoihe]

If anyone wonders "where in PnP"

PhB II for 3.5 has clear delineated mechanics for changing feats, skills, classes and even species.

limitation is that you must have qualified for X if you change sth way earlier, and the more you change the more expensive and time consuming it is.

Um....say what?

Maybe the whole PHB II should be taken with a pinch of salt in that case

It should be noted that such a change requires going on a difficult and mystical quest. It is not just freely changing it. That being said, changing species is actually one of the easier things to do in dnd, and does not require a retraining/rebuilding process. The 4th level druid spell, Reincarnate, for example, is Raise Dead except it raises you in a new body, often as a new species.

And that's before we open the rabbit hole that is wish/miracle spells.

And those difficult/mystical quests are like.. between 8-15 CR. So, for our server - 16-30. Thus, perfectly doable.


On the Miracle bit: Miracle can be used to replicate lower level spells without a cost. Furthermore, it can be used to guarantee a specific outcome/roll for 5000 XP. With that, you can get some fancy solutions to the RCR problem.

[yyj]

Um....say what?

Maybe the whole PHB II should be taken with a pinch of salt in that case

It should be noted that such a change requires going on a difficult and mystical quest. It is not just freely changing it. That being said, changing species is actually one of the easier things to do in dnd, and does not require a retraining/rebuilding process. The 4th level druid spell, Reincarnate, for example, is Raise Dead except it raises you in a new body, often as a new species.

And that's before we open the rabbit hole that is wish/miracle spells.

And those difficult/mystical quests are like.. between 8-15 CR. So, for our server - 16-30. Thus, perfectly doable.


On the Miracle bit: Miracle can be used to replicate lower level spells without a cost. Furthermore, it can be used to guarantee a specific outcome/roll for 5000 XP. With that, you can get some fancy solutions to the RCR problem.

RCR is not a problem from what I've seen, the devs already said they will add a testing area to the Nexus soon, which will be sort of like the JEGS but better.

So players are already given enough tools to fix and plan their characters, RCR is fine as it is.

[tankteddy]

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Real point is this.
1 BGTSCC is not <insert server name here>.

By this assertion, no one should suggestions. This is a passive aggressive post putting down other people's suggestion. I always say, if you don't like the suggestion cool, but civil, which this post isn't trying to do at all. Don't insist because they made suggestion that they want [insert server] to be exact like [insert other server].

What ever the rule might be for NWN1 or any other server the Ruling here is RCR bot is Retired Character recreation. Meaning you are creating a New PC. They already change the XP rate to scale based on level. 100% at level 10. 90% at 11 and so on till 50% by 20.

Again, if you didn't read the post, which show you didn't not due to gross cynicism in this statement alone. I consider it disrespectful if you make accusation without reading. Nothing what you just said RIGHT HERE was event remotely coherent nor were trying to be. Which is why I skipped over it. I put as much effort in read this as you did.

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I think the only reason DM don't hammer down on people using it as a Rebuild mechanismis because
A) you are losing up to half XP
B) we don't have a system where players can test a build beforehand with all the live custom changes of BG. People are bound to make mistakes or need to fine tune their build for their RP.

My request for the new RCR wasn't to hammer down on people, but to give people a drive to make new character instead of munchizing. To make that long drive back and roleplay to level 30 as they did with their previous characters. That's it.

And with that. The topic needs to be closed before we get more people making more cynical comments, not reading post, and throwing accusations out.

Clearly you didnt read my post, You took my words out of context, where I said

Real point is this.
1 BGTSCC is not <insert server name here>.
What ever the rule might be for NWN1 or any other server the Ruling here is RCR bot is Retired Character recreation. Meaning you are creating a New PC. They already change the XP rate to scale based on level. 100% at level 10. 90% at 11 and so on till 50% by 20.

Is all one block of text. Responding to your comments about what "RCR" even means. However, I see where it can seem passive-aggressive. My point was simply explaining that one server is never the same as another server. Where Haven has this wonderful RCR system it fits the needs of their server. On BGTSCC the RCR bot was created with different intent as qouted by Maecius.

The Intent behind the CURRENT RCR bot is to Retire a current PC in exchange for a NEW PC and be rewarded for doing so. That being said!
I would have to do some digging to find it, if it is still even a rule. It was frowned upon to make huge Class changes during RCR with out a Good RP reason behind it. Such as Cleric to Paladin or Fighter to Wizard. Minor changes because of new classes/feats or other such items are often fine if keeping the same PC.

Initially, the RCR was for people to retire their character, and get a reward for doing so. The goal of it is to delete characters when their story is played out.
Not getting a full or bigger reward, was also so that not everybody would be running around as level 30s all the time.

Though I understand this proposal, it is the complete opposite of the idea why the RCR was ever created.

Not really giving an opinion here, just sharing the idea behind the RCR

1. RCR is not for retiring characters. I am not sure where you got that idea from. RCR has been a thing since NWN1 and used to transfer xp to a new character or to revamp an old character due to oversight when building a character by several levels. You can choose to retire your character, but RCR was never solely made for that as you can simply recreate the same character when passing down your stuff and xp. Permanent death and the Grim Reaper npc are for retirement.

2. The idea behind this RCR is to force players to create new characters rather than pass down equipment, money, and any remaining xp to new characters allowing them to munckinize their gameplay early on.

My request for the new RCR wasn't to hammer down on people, but to give people a drive to make new character instead of munchizing. To make that long drive back and roleplay to level 30 as they did with their previous characters. That's it.

Your Idea for a new RCR bot is redundant to what is already in effect given the two quotes above. The difference is simply an Edit to the current system such as:
1) Added a bank/bag to easily transfer items/gold as well as XP
2) The xp rate to become a flat 80% for PCs with the same name, as opposed to the current scaling XP rate based on level.

As for the grind to 30 even with 50% many players end up closer to level 20 when they RCR anyways, you have already cut out half the time it takes.
I myself am against the flat 80% due to the fact that the server alreadly lacks lower level players, and the abuse of the 100% by 10 RCR. To many people creating Halfling snipers to quick level to 10 then RCR into another PC.

What change I can see being made is to remove the level 20 Cap so that when you RCR you still only get 50% XP but can level up to say level 23, allowing players to be in level range of their level 30 friends.


LASTLY

Again, if you didn't read the post, which show you didn't not due to gross cynicism in this statement alone. I consider it disrespectful if you make accusation without reading. Nothing what you just said RIGHT HERE was event remotely coherent nor were trying to be. Which is why I skipped over it. I put as much effort in read this as you did.

I consider it disrespectful if you make an accusation without reading. Nothing that you just said was event remotely coherent nor were trying to be. This is why I DID NOT skip over it and read what you posted over and over again, AS WELL AS what other people have posted beforehand to fully understand the topic and have put forth MORE effort in reading this then you have.

You're quite sure of yourself. Haha.

((((DISCLAIMER: This and any post before this is my personal opinion and is in no way a reflection of the team's mindset as a whole. Thank you.))))

[Thaelis]

Real point is this.
1 BGTSCC is not <insert server name here>.

What ever the rule might be for NWN1 or any other server the Ruling here is RCR bot is Retired Character recreation. Meaning you are creating a New PC. They already change the XP rate to scale based on level. 100% at level 10. 90% at 11 and so on till 50% by 20.

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I think the only reason DM don't hammer down on people using it as a Rebuild mechanismis because
A) you are losing up to half XP
B) we don't have a system where players can test a build beforehand with all the live custom changes of BG. People are bound to make mistakes or need to fine tune their build for their RP.

Yeah a character trainer would really be awesome That would remove a lot of the rebuild necessity.

I rebuilt my character thrice. First time was because I took Indomitable Soul only to find out it doesn't work against most Will-save spells, including vampire's gaze and he was an undead hunter.... Second was because I literally miss-clicked and chose an incorrect feat. Third time was because I maxed out Set Trap before finding out that Deadly traps cost 800gp+ and you you need a dozen of them just to kill a single Gnoll.

If rebuilding your character using RCR was banned I probably would have done it from level 1. That would have been much much harder to RP. As it was I just RP'd having been energy drained by a vampire.