RP-Critique/Support/Self Monitoring Club

[07paul87]

Hehehe, thanks. My big risk was greatly influenced by my low WIS.

No worries, Laurk. Any other suggestions, RP Club?

[HaberdasherofDoom]

Remember in reference to the skill rolls.. no player is requred to react to or roll off or your skill rolls.. required rolls are only made and can be mandated by a dm... any other reaction to or opposed rolls are up to the player at hand.

For instance.. if a player comes up to my pcs and emotes *growls* and then rolls a 45 intimidate checkmy PC might casually fish for a chicken bone and yell go get it.

If a player walks up to my pc and emotes *looks at you with eyes ablaze reflecting the darkest pools of their soul, as the firelight glints evilly off their irisis.* rolls intimidate 45.. well my pc will probably react to that.

That player has invested in those RP skills, but there is no requriement for you as a player to react a certain way - though it is highly recommended to react in some way.

TO me it is a simple formula.. good skill + good rp = bonus, good skill + bad rp = pfft.

Opposed rolls without DM supervision are by the consent of the dm.

PS my Life has been crzay and I haven't really kept up with this. Truthfully I had no idea. people were critquing here.. my error. However, if you aren't on the list still.. send me a pm so I can get it sorted.... truth be told I don't know where I stopped.

PS this is my 1000th post.. holy crap.. lucky me!!!

[Garka]

Gratz

[Laurk]

Remember in reference to the skill rolls.. no player is requred to react to or roll off or your skill rolls.. required rolls are only made and can be mandated by a dm... any other reaction to or opposed rolls are up to the player at hand.

Yes, I know this. Still, since it is an open critique, I believe they are important and it is the mark of a good RPer to consider them so long as there is RP built around them. Certainly other critiquers may have a differant view... that one was just mine.

I also think its valid to remember that our characters may have skills we do not. Jonas giving that speach in front of Ilmater's temple is a good place to consider. Jonas has a kabillion points in diplomacy and a high Charisma... his player may not. Therefore even though he informed all those grieving parents that some of the blame was theirs as well... they might not burn down Abby's Sanctuary because we can pretend that Jonas' exceptional diplomacy skill might have masked some of the edge off of that A-bomb.

[Kronk991]

Buzga could use a little constructive critcism too! Go ahead let me know what you like and dislike..

[Garka]

Assuming Buzzga is the same one I lvled with on my Warlock all I can say is, Buzzga rules!..

Yeaa am going to stop commenting here.... still 6 days to go -.-

[MadSeer]

Buzga could use a little constructive critcism too! Go ahead let me know what you like and dislike..

There's one thing I would like to see improve from your RP. That would be to take into consideration NPC guards, you probably remember when Buzga just ran out of Candlekeep when two guards alone inside the barracks would've stopped her, two more on the outside of the barracks and two more by the gates that wouldn't have opened them. This is pretty much all I can say, just try to remember the presence of the NPC guards, there aren't only PCs out there . Other than that I don't have much to say on your RP, you're doing a good enough job.

And now, I'd appreciate some hatin' too!

[Vesgar]

Maybe it's just me being silly again, but i was thinking of enhanced visions. There are races with low light vision or darkvision and ingame you can toogle it on/off. I tried to use torches or lanterns whenever i could instead of the enhanced vision mostly because i guessed just like cats and their eyes, the character's eye would "glow" in the dark and others would notice that. It could be a problem.

So, my questions is, are the enhanced visions natural abilities that you can control, or not? I can hide my face behind a mask or my forehead behind a hood... but i would look funny with sunglasses.

[Katzenjammer]

Very nice thread, kudos to all who've posted . I've recently returned to BG after a six month haitus, so put my character Siomir Danneren on the list. Some of the posters I remember from before and have had the pleasure of RP'ing, some I don't, but I like the tenor of the thread so far.

A couple of additional thoughts I'd like to post concerning the weaponmaster discussion. It is an extreme pity that in the West we moved to guns so quickly that we almost utterly abandon our own practice of the older martial arts and all we are left with is texts, and hard to find ones at that. I say this because the primary thrust of D&D and NWN has always had a western flavor, and most have to reference Eastern disciplines to explain their points. In case anyone is interested though, I would recommend a couple of newer sources of information, The Book of Swords by Hank Reinhardt, and the documentary movie Reclaiming the Sword. When one adds historical reality to the heavy dose of fantasy, it makes for well rounded RP in my opinion.

Ok, to my thoughts on the weaponmaster. I do beleive that one can compare a rifle or any other weapon in the context because I do not beleive that ki or the "zen state" one acheives must be metaphysical. The concept of "no mind" is a simple truth to me, that when you have practiced and used your weapon to the proper degree that you simply do, you don't think. No mysticism required beyond the awe it inspires in me when I see it done or do it myself on rare occasion. You move, you act, all instantaneously, without any thought. If anyone has trained in close quarters combat with a firearm, you get the idea. A gun is of course easier, and this is why we use guns more today. The weaponmaster's ability in my beleif lies in there ability to react to an opponent's move (or with a gun when shooting long range to the wind and other things that may impact the bullet's trajectory) without bothering to examine the various possibilities. Sort of "been there, done that" so many times that they can now just react without the moment's hesitation required for examination. Accuracy also plays a part in the ki strike I think, where one is hitting a very vunerable location with the perfect angle and thus doing more damage. It's not easy to do on a target that is trying very hard NOT to be hit and thus requires huge amounts of time spent with the weapon in question. Doesn't have to be the same example of the weapon, just the same type. I don't recall ever reading that Musashi used the same katana throughout his career, and he is probably one of the most famous "sword saints" in history. I do remember reading that he used an oar carved into a rough bokken for one duel and won. Very quickly.

Anyway, love the thread, feel free to comment on my play. Sorry to have only posted on one of the things being discussed, but I didn't want to write a book on all the great stuff I found here

[Atlas]

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[BunchofCrooks]

This being the Self Monitoring Club, I have to report the following;

I'm a relatively experienced roleplayer, I play PnP, I larp, and I reenact. I joined this server specifically to RP, and the fact that it offers RP XP is why I ended up choosing to stay. I am relatively new to the process of roleplaying on a game like this however. Where I feel confident in my ability to get my character traits and concept across in real life, the limitations of the interface are frustrating me to no end here. I'm new to the server, and therefore know almost no one on the server. So I feel like I'm running around bugging the important people all the time. My character ends up coming across like a child or something due to the attempt to integrate. I have therefore decided to do most of my RP on the forums here, and leave in game for less important things, like getting to a decent level. Because although levels aren't all that important to me (now to be honest, it is fun to get loot and levels, but it's not WHY I'm here) on this server if seems you need to be a fairly high level before you are tough enough to make a difference. For example, currently I don't think I could even make it to Candlekeep alive. To deal with this I RP'd a good bit with a high level Paladin and got an escort over there.... but I feel like I'm bugging him, and look like a whiner while doing it. I get to the keep, and find the player who I need to speak to for RP reasons, and they are so busy with other more important things, they don't have time to help me... now, I completely and totally understand this... you're online for like 3 hours in a day, and you have to make a decision, deal with pressing issues with higher level characters that you know are good Rpers or gamble on some player you've never seen before whose bugging you to get involved in something you've been working on, when you have no idea what this guy is going to RP like. It's really a question of priorities, and experience with the character, and is caused by the interface being clumsy for RP. So, all this being said I have come to the following conclusions about this server (and really NWN in general) ; which is what I want to ask comments about...

1. Low level characters should RP on the forums primarily while they
2.Grind in game to gain enough levels to be useful.
3. ALWAYS rp your grinding, having a reason for why you are doing it IC.
4. When you do gain some levels, and people start to know you from the forums, THEN you can bring it in game.

I'm guessing here, which is why the post... I have no experience with RPing via message boards, so I'm gonna give it a go if you folks think I'm on track.... or not if you don't.... whatcha think?

BunchofCrooks
Rente of Ilmater

[Murray (THE SKULL)]

I actually think most of the gooddoers love to escort people around. Specialy the paladins.

[DM Sword]

I definately could use some help developing RP skill. I often feal embarassed by my lack of RP and lore when in the presence of some of the great RPers that are here.

I pretty much only play with my dwarf: Korgoth Bloodaxe, I could use some tips developing his bio. For instance, he has veteran as a background trait, what are some dwarven battles prior to this period that he could have been a part of? I don't 'think' I have a power build, but I guess that is subject to interpretation. He is a fighter/dwarven defender/weapon master, I personally think these classes go along well with dwarven RP. Also, what other ways can I RP being lawful good? I am always mindful to tell other people when they are breaking the law, but do not enforce it myself. As fare as being good, I just try to help others when possible and chat in a kind fashion. Also, my charisma is very low (6), I typically play this off as being an ugly, smelly dwarf who isn't a wordsmith but has enough int (13) to maintain a conversation without a series of grunts.

Also, it seems like you really have to be able to think on your toes to be a good RPer, since you don't know what anyone will say or do in your presence until it happens. I have been reading other players' bios to get an some ideas, and it seems that everyone has their own flavor of RP, which is good. Any help is welcome, thanks again guys/gals.

[Laurk]

I think the bulk of RP should be done IG. I tend to use the forums to discuss things that have already happened to Abby, or to put thoughts down in her journal.

The reason for keeping it IG is because things will flow more natrually, and you wont have unlimited time to frame the perfect response, making things more realistic. Also, the forums don't allow for convorsational skills such as diplomacy, bluff intimidate. Beyond that Bunchofcrooks, you seemed a great RPer to me. Your character was highly unique and entertaining in an unusual fashion. The fact that he made no sense to me until I managed to uncover some of his underpinnings makes him a dimentional character worth exploring. It would be a shame to waste that on forum RP when its so much more fun to do it IC.

Also, for many... fighting the same monsters again and again gets boring. RP is all we got. Its through the dramas that arise in this way that we find things to do.

Laurk

[BunchofCrooks]

Thanks for the response Laurk, the first week or so I was on here I RPed mostly via forum as I mentioned on the post, and as you well know by now. I think my effort worked well, as I used it as a way to contact the more powerful characters in the game without having to feel like I was buggin' them in game (you among them), after making contact through the forums (really more PM's than anything else), I can now RP in game more realistically, without having to feel like I'm "forcing" it. So now I agree with you completely that my RP should be in game, but I still think introducing yourself, and getting the initial RP out of the way via "letters" sent by PM works wonders for new players who want to be RP heavy folks. Once you get integrated however, I agree that the RP should be in character from there. Thanks for the kind words BTW, I've been closely analyzing my RP due to being new to the whole computer RP thing.