Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Mallore wrote:Does the shadow only have power equal to your SD levels, or all levels?

I love my little shadow though he kinda gets stomped and isnt very good at making anything flat footed. But hes cute. Jane, named hers George.

It has three stages. I think it starts as a level 8 undead when you get it, then it becomes a level 12 at like... Shadowdancer level 7 or 8? And lastly a level 20 undead at level 9 or 10 Shadowdancer.

So it's pretty meh overall.

Deathgrowl wrote:

Mallore wrote:Does the shadow only have power equal to your SD levels, or all levels?

I love my little shadow though he kinda gets stomped and isnt very good at making anything flat footed. But hes cute. Jane, named hers George.

It has three stages. I think it starts as a level 8 undead when you get it, then it becomes a level 12 at like... Shadowdancer level 7 or 8? And lastly a level 20 undead at level 9 or 10 Shadowdancer.

So it's pretty meh overall.

AH..

Anyway we can get a level 30 version to? =P Big shadow! To bad it didnt scale like elemental =P I love me an Elder Shadow.

I mean how do you tag its increases I guess? How would that be determined on who can get it... the big shadows =P ((votes tag it to my combine rogue and sd levels lol))

matelener wrote:Okay, let me go back to square one.

With your build you have to squeeze in these epic feats:

-Epic Prowess
-Expose Weakness
-Combat Insight
-Perfect Two Weapon Fighting (after 25 DEX)
-Epic Dodge (after 25 DEX and on/after 10th SD)
-Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
-Melee Weapon Mastery: Slashing (I made a typo earlier when I named it "Weapon Supremacy")

That's 7 epic feats. 5 from epic levels, two from Fighter 10 and Fighter 12.

There is no space for Greater Weapon Specialization and Epic Weapon Specialization because these require the 12th fighter level and would have to be taken into epics (which you cannot). So, you gain only +4 damage (Weapon Spec and Slashing Mastery) and not +8 damage as a fighter with all the damage feats would.

Your fighter bonus damage is Weapon Spec and Slashing Mastery.

You can fit them all but epicspecialisation. Race Tiefling 19Dex, 18CHA

Lvl21 F6 Epic prowness, Combat Insight
22 F7
23 F8 Gr. Focus Kama, Expose Weakness
24 F9
25 F10 Weapon Mastery, PTWF
26 F11
27 F12 Great and Epic Specialisation
28 SD9
29 SD10 Epic Dodge
30 SB5

The end result is 43AC (45 against current/last opponent ) X2 Int on damage, +6Fighter and Epic dodge.

mrm3ntalist wrote:Lvl21 F6 Epic prowness, Combat Insight
22 F7
23 F8 Gr. Focus Kama, Expose Weakness
24 F9
25 F10 Weapon Mastery, PTWF
26 F11
27 F12 Great and Epic Specialisation
28 SD9
29 SD10 Epic Dodge
30 SB5

Weapon Mastery (slashing) requires Fighter 12 so you can't take Epic Specialization as you would need to take Melee Weapon Mastery at level 27 (F12). You said this in your comment, but the build plan doesn't include it...

http://nwn2db.com/build/?251640

It's just one feat short, no big deal, missing epic weapon spec only.

chad878262 wrote:

mrm3ntalist wrote:Lvl21 F6 Epic prowness, Combat Insight
22 F7
23 F8 Gr. Focus Kama, Expose Weakness
24 F9
25 F10 Weapon Mastery, PTWF
26 F11
27 F12 Great and Epic Specialisation
28 SD9
29 SD10 Epic Dodge
30 SB5

Weapon Mastery (slashing) requires Fighter 12 so you can't take Epic Specialization as you would need to take Melee Weapon Mastery at level 27 (F12). You said this in your comment, but the build plan doesn't include it...

Valefort wrote:http://nwn2db.com/build/?251640

It's just one feat short, no big deal, missing epic weapon spec only.

What Vale said. At work and cant use the builder. The general idea when going F12 is to get the 6th lvl at level21 and the 12th fighter level on level 27. That way you get the max Epic feats and allows you to get epic Spec on 29. In our case, this is subbed by epic dodge.

mrm3ntalist wrote:What Vale said. At work and cant use the builder. The general idea when going F12 is to get the 6th lvl at level21 and the 12th fighter level on level 27. That way you get the max Epic feats and allows you to get epic Spec on 29. In our case, this is subbed by epic dodge.

nodnod

mrm3ntalist wrote:

chad878262 wrote:

mrm3ntalist wrote:Lvl21 F6 Epic prowness, Combat Insight
22 F7
23 F8 Gr. Focus Kama, Expose Weakness
24 F9
25 F10 Weapon Mastery, PTWF
26 F11
27 F12 Great and Epic Specialisation
28 SD9
29 SD10 Epic Dodge
30 SB5

Weapon Mastery (slashing) requires Fighter 12 so you can't take Epic Specialization as you would need to take Melee Weapon Mastery at level 27 (F12). You said this in your comment, but the build plan doesn't include it...

Valefort wrote:http://nwn2db.com/build/?251640

It's just one feat short, no big deal, missing epic weapon spec only.

What Vale said. At work and cant use the builder. The general idea when going F12 is to get the 6th lvl at level21 and the 12th fighter level on level 27. That way you get the max Epic feats and allows you to get epic Spec on 29. In our case, this is subbed by epic dodge.

Despite all the min-maxing, that 10 SD build is unplayable until very late epics.

Now consider this:

http://nwn2db.com/build/?251648

Most importantly it's playable from 1 to 30. With a quite a lot of other advantages I've mentioned earlier over your version: greater flurry / AC / skill points (unless you trade LoH for able learner) / saves / 30% movement speed / immunity to poisons. Losing out 4 damage and 1 ab.

If I were you, I would:

- pick kukris over kamas
- Use Deadly Defense + Combat Expertise
- Take 5th level of Swashbuckler earlier and give up on Greater Weapon Spec
- Trade 3 monk levels for 3 duelist levels: 12 fighter / 10 SD / 5 SB / 3 Duelist

Then it becomes pleasant to play, nonetheless, not from the top shelf and proving nothing really. It's a singular case of a min-maxed build which variations can be argued to be better yet again.

matelener wrote:Despite all the min-maxing, that 10 SD build is unplayable until very late epics.

Now consider this:

http://nwn2db.com/build/?251648

Most importantly it's playable from 1 to 30. With a quite a lot of other advantages I've mentioned earlier over your version: greater flurry / AC / skill points (unless you trade LoH for able learner) / saves / 30% movement speed / immunity to poisons. Losing out 4 damage and 1 ab.

It is difficult to play till level 21. So is getting hips at level30 on a SA build. We both have the same build

Powerbuilding usually is like that - coming together in the epics, in order to squize all that power in. Its what i do and what you did in one of your builds...