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Not displeased or anything. Sipping my coffee while listening to music before going out for a beer - or two.Steve wrote:Actually, if it isn't what QC thinks, then what is QC good for? I ask this totally seriously, despite your above comment that says nothing about the Thread/OP except that you are displeased? Or am I wrong?
Because:
I underlined what I think QC should be thinking about, as it is advertised. Tell me if I'm wrong, if I am wrong. And I'll shut up!Quality Control: The Quality Control team (or "QC") is in charge of testing new content for balance and bugs; for reporting bugs with existing, released content; and for troubleshooting exploits and other problems. They play an important role in ensuring that developers produce content that is consistent with the server's existing content and fair, and hold developers accountable for what is released. Ideally, nothing should be released live without a nod from QC.
For example, if we "lighten up" and do what Calodan says then others will think otherwise. You already asked what QC thinks about what Calodan said. Imagine us actualyl doing itAll I am saying is that QC could lighten up a bit and
Then if QC/Devs do what you say, someone else will ( not might, but will ) not like it and post about. And goes on and on and on.Truer words were never spoken.mrm3ntalist wrote:Lighten up guys and enjoy this game
Yes I think so. That is the point though. Right now we have little option to reach at least 25-28 CL and get BAB high enough to have a truly viable GISH. The Dispel fix pretty much ruined about 100+ builds for viability with how the server is balanced. So either we get more PRCs and things to up CL on these builds or we eliminate dispels from standard monsters and lower caster spawn rates significantly to lower dispel and breach rates enough that when playing normally on the server everyday we do not get dispelled as much. At least that is my train of thought. Has the Dispel caps been put back to normal or are we still operating on uber caps as well as having the amount of dispels we have? This alone might mitigate at least some of the issues with GISH builds. Right now no one wants to really use them because it is too bloody hard to use them since you can not complete a dungeon without resting and very few dungeons have rest points in them.........Every dungeon should have one on every level. Resting should be allowed long as the door is shut and enemy are not nearby. Just my train of thought though. I mean the easiest fix for this problem is to create a rest space in each dungeon (Not hard there are rooms in every one with doors just create it ther) and turn off the rest timer. Now we can just adjust and play on. Players who know they will get dispelled will plan to run that dungeon like so. The issue of getting dispelled goes down drastically since I can go rest and rebuff long as I can kill the monsters in the immediate area of course....aaron22 wrote:i would need a BAB of >20 for 5?Calodan wrote:
Not really a true GISH with only 4 attacks in a round. To me a GISH is a hybrid fighter/caster. Weighing in on the side of fighter more. You really need at least 5 attacks in a round to be effective in close combat at all. They are supposed to in my mind be able to fight close quarters and use the occasional melee touch attack spell or so while fighting to do greater damage as they fight but their one true form is being a magically warded fighter only on the arcane side of it.
took levels of EK lost two CL's but gained the 5 BAB to make 5 attacks.chad878262 wrote:yes, 21 or better gets 5 APR... It is very difficult to make a viable arcane gish without some levels in eldritch knight since it is the only high BAB class that also get 9/10 CL progression.
Much better could be viable in most areas. The Crit immune is what really drives that build with a melee touch hand attack as well from PM. WIth the right weaponry it could do fairly well and the RP would be great! Here is what I have been toying around with myself.aaron22 wrote:took levels of EK lost two CL's but gained the 5 BAB to make 5 attacks.chad878262 wrote:yes, 21 or better gets 5 APR... It is very difficult to make a viable arcane gish without some levels in eldritch knight since it is the only high BAB class that also get 9/10 CL progression.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?261017
SEND BEER!!!!chad878262 wrote:Truer words were never spoken.mrm3ntalist wrote:Lighten up guys and enjoy this game
With the kind of conversations we get into send Tequila!Steve wrote:SEND BEER!!!!chad878262 wrote:Truer words were never spoken.mrm3ntalist wrote:Lighten up guys and enjoy this game
these builds seem to be pretty tough. i am not feeling a large power gap. i hate comparing builds to FvS's. there are just some builds that are going to be above others. always will. the PBers are too good at finding optimizes.Calodan wrote:Much better could be viable in most areas. The Crit immune is what really drives that build with a melee touch hand attack as well from PM. WIth the right weaponry it could do fairly well and the RP would be great! Here is what I have been toying around with myself.aaron22 wrote:took levels of EK lost two CL's but gained the 5 BAB to make 5 attacks.chad878262 wrote:yes, 21 or better gets 5 APR... It is very difficult to make a viable arcane gish without some levels in eldritch knight since it is the only high BAB class that also get 9/10 CL progression.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?261017
http://nwn2db.com/build/?260950
there are quite a few specific builds like that with few possibilities. dirge? etcOOBI makes a few more viable archer builds, but I would say there are more than 3 even without considering OOBI... Bards make solid Archers (with or without AA), as do Rangers, Fighter/Assassins/AA or Fighter, Rogue, Ranger with Elemental Archer, You can even make a decent Archer out of a gish type build such as Bard/Eldritch Knight/Dragon Slayer. Point being that there are a myriad of different level setups and builds you can use to make an archer that is survivable. However, like most builds it will have weaknesses, in most cases for Archer the weakness will either be AB/damage or close range survivability. Much like a caster positioning is key.aaron22 wrote:i guess i look at the gish like i would look at something unique or specific. how many viable archer builds are there? three... four? i said viable.
aaron22 wrote:yes, 21 or better gets 5 APR... It is very difficult to make a viable arcane gish without some levels in eldritch knight since it is the only high BAB class that also get 9/10 CL progression.
took levels of EK lost two CL's but gained the 5 BAB to make 5 attacks.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?261017
Much better could be viable in most areas. The Crit immune is what really drives that build with a melee touch hand attack as well from PM. WIth the right weaponry it could do fairly well and the RP would be great! Here is what I have been toying around with myself.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?260950
You mean something like this?
http://nwn2db.com/build/?232031
I had just found that build on the NWN2 data base site when the dispel fix went in. You can see though the idea behind it and the style. Kind of a pirate style in my mind.
these builds seem to be pretty tough. i am not feeling a large power gap. i hate comparing builds to FvS's. there are just some builds that are going to be above others. always will. the PBers are too good at finding optimizes.
i could also see a foresee a build that utilizes swashy to gain some damage at the expense of some CL's and forgoing the auto stills to open more epic feats. ie EP/EW. they would just be a totally different flavor of the same ice cream.
CL22 is pretty rough even with HiPS? Also, realize that on BG Swashbuckler doesn't get Insightful Strike until level 5 so you would need to lose two more levels to actually get the benefit of IS/CI goodness. If you want to mix in assassin you are better off using the build that mixes W/AK/A/AT which get's 21BAB, 25CL and HiPS. It doesn't get Insightful Strike, but gets a couple more sneak attack dice. That's what I am playing with my Drow right now.
