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Seraphine wrote:Yep, not everyone makes senseless powerbuilds. There are also players who want to have a build that makes sense in RP.
Sorry... but... Don't you feel a contradiction in your words? How can it be linked in RP that mighty character at his (her) 30 level with a great weapon and armour (or having a 9th circle of spells) steps in the dirty and dark gibberling cave to loot chests? Mainly we have an answer like "just passing through"...
And thats all. Nothing more...
But where do they pass through the gibberling cave? To the kobolds in the ruins? Just, there is no any other way to "pass through". Having common sense, It is better to do by the clean trade way, not through the dirty cave. But now it looks more like the ravings of a madman.

It makes sence in RP?
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It makes sense in RP because no one is required to justify their presence to anyone else, at any location, for any reason, regardless of level or RP.

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Reckeo wrote:It makes sense in RP because no one is required to justify their presence to anyone else, at any location, for any reason, regardless of level or RP.
O-kay... Let me try once more... = )
No one here demands to explain any presence in the low level area.
But... During the exploring the gibberlings cave few characters with low level constantly meet in that cave high level knights, mages and etc. All those hordes (not 2, not 3... but 20 per hour) of high level characters RP it like "just passing through"... Where is damn RP sence here?
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Reckeo wrote:It makes sense in RP because no one is required to justify their presence to anyone else, at any location, for any reason, regardless of level or RP.
O-kay... Let me try once more... = )
No one here demands to explain any presence in the low level area.
During the exploring the gibberlings cave few characters with low level constantly meet in that cave high level knights, mages and etc. All those hordes (not 2, not 3... but 20 per hour) of high level characters RP it like "just passing through"... Where is damn RP sence here?
I think this occurs in much lower frequency than has been reported, and that the reports are exaggerated, though I may be wrong and stand to be corrected if that is the case in terms of how often this happens.

For each high level I have seen, it has been 50/50, it could be a quick passing through with a nod, it could be a short RP with polite exchange of info leading towards more adventure, it could be nothing at all, it could be rude. How is that different from ANY OTHER interaction? But in my experience, the frequency of this happening is so low (and in the event of someone breezing through and looting everything), the solution is simple as hell: wait 3-5 minutes for a respawn and act like it didn't happen.

Keep calm and carry on.

It's so barely noticeable to me it doesn't even require a sentence to be acknowledged at this point; but people feel differently about it, and they should be afforded their opportunity to speak about such if they feel it is an issue. At the same time, all I'm offering in this thread in my opinion is that it should not require change on part of the Dev's or to the server as a result of what in my experience is trivial.

Maybe if it got out of control and I had been experiencing this more often, my opinion would change. At this point, I do not believe this to be the case. Other people feel differently and I completely respect that. Is my offered solution of waiting 3-5 minutes for a respawn and ignoring the interaction such a difficult path of response?
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Frankly, those high level characters would be far better off elsewhere and I agree 20 per hour is an exaggeration at best.

I took this thread to be more about level 30's in Minotaurs/Tradeway Gnolls/trolls, or the like. If epics or anyone over C~7 or 8 is in Gibberlings they are on their way to do the quest or have a poor idea of how best to spend their time.

If you want Epics and even high level PC's to stay out of lower CR area's the key is to either make quests one time (not repeatable) or make them at least not the most efficient manner of gaining XP in epics. Pre-epic you can gain XP from grinding nearly as fast as from running quests, but once you hit level 20 it slows to a crawl and quests are the most efficient way by far. So this would be implementing a solution that would not solve the overarching problem..
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Just I feel dissonance...
Seraphine wrote:Yep, not everyone makes senseless powerbuilds. There are also players who want to have a build that makes sense in RP.
You don't want to make "senseless powerbuild" and make a "full of sence RP build"... For what? For good RP, I suppose. But I doubt that "just passing through" is an RP.
Seraphine wrote:There are also players who want to have a build that makes sense in RP.
And then "just passing through"... Poof!
Seraphine wrote:makes sense in RP.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! STOP IT PLEASE!
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I don't understand what the problem with high level characters in low level areas is, whether they are passing through, doing quests, looting, roleplaying in places they find pleasing or whatever.

Doesn't Elminster cross the woods where goblins live too?

If anything, people should be bothered by the low level characters running laps in the same areas with little to no RP for hours on end. Not that they shouldn't be allowed to do that, if that's what they enjoy.

This server seems to have a very strong culture of "apartheid" regarding things that some individuals personally regard as "bad", even though there are absolutely no IC reasons to enforce the separation. Surfacers far from underdarkers, high levels far from low levels, women far from men, cats far from dogs... :|

In the end, RP suffers and the instance-like feeling of playing such vapid titles as World of Warcraft increases.
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chad878262 wrote:Frankly, those high level characters would be far better off elsewhere and I agree 20 per hour is an exaggeration at best.

I took this thread to be more about level 30's in Minotaurs/Tradeway Gnolls/trolls, or the like. If epics or anyone over C~7 or 8 is in Gibberlings they are on their way to do the quest or have a poor idea of how best to spend their time.

If you want Epics and even high level PC's to stay out of lower CR area's the key is to either make quests one time (not repeatable) or make them at least not the most efficient manner of gaining XP in epics. Pre-epic you can gain XP from grinding nearly as fast as from running quests, but once you hit level 20 it slows to a crawl and quests are the most efficient way by far. So this would be implementing a solution that would not solve the overarching problem..
Not to mention that levels 1-10 are so much faster compared to 11-20, and exponentially faster than anything after 21. I've been at Kobolds plenty of times and it's empty as hell. Not to mention the chests can only be looted once due to timer. If it's busy I either wait for a respawn, or just breeze through myself and move on to other content (there is plenty on the server). And yeah, the higher levels have more access to other areas than the lowbies, but it's because they NEED those areas.

I have one epic toon that I only play once in awhile, simply because his AC is too low for epic content to solo successfully, and I can't find a group for him. He doesn't breeze through much and yeah, he still dies at Hag caves. Do I breeze through Minotaurs with him? Yeah, it's about the only place he can go, and even then he struggles with the bosses compared to my newer level 19. That place is almost always empty anyway. And I barely play him to boot. Do I do the goblins quest with him? Sure. I'ts fun because its one of the few areas he can actually handle. Should I be excluded because of this? note: you won't find me wasting his time at Kobolds.

I played back when the chests were loot restricted. It's kind of still in my mind lol. But mostly because if my characters are able to roll a higher table, I'll go for those chests instead at the appropriate leveled areas.

With instanced chests and loot timers being once per 6 hours instead of twice before a 2 hour reset, I think the greater issues have already been corrected.

This would be a step back.
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SK2 wrote:Just I feel dissonance...
Seraphine wrote:Yep, not everyone makes senseless powerbuilds. There are also players who want to have a build that makes sense in RP.
You don't want to make "senseless powerbuild" and make a "full of sence RP build"... For what? For good RP, I suppose. But I doubt that "just passing through" is an RP.
Seraphine wrote:There are also players who want to have a build that makes sense in RP.
And then "just passing through"... Poof!
Seraphine wrote:makes sense in RP.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! STOP IT PLEASE!
You're the absolute last person to complain about makes sense in RP though. Just saying.

Everyone likes money no matter how powerful they are. They go through the caves for money. There, problem solved, all good.
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cosmic ray wrote:Doesn't Elminster cross the woods where goblins live too?
To loot the chest every 300 minutes? I doubt...
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CleverUsername123 wrote:You're the absolute last person to complain about makes sense in RP though. Just saying.
You're the absolute last person to tell me such things. Just saying.
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SK2 wrote:
Reckeo wrote:It makes sense in RP because no one is required to justify their presence to anyone else, at any location, for any reason, regardless of level or RP.
O-kay... Let me try once more... = )
No one here demands to explain any presence in the low level area.
But... During the exploring the gibberlings cave few characters with low level constantly meet in that cave high level knights, mages and etc. All those hordes (not 2, not 3... but 20 per hour) of high level characters RP it like "just passing through"... Where is damn RP sence here?
Aren't you the fellow with a CN, lord of darkness, immortal elf, now drow, who uses a vampire secretary?

We all make our RP decisions as best we see fit, that's all I am saying.
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Apis wrote:Aren't you the fellow with a CN, lord of darkness, immortal elf, now drow, who uses a vampire secretary?
Hm?
NegInfinity wrote:You don't know if they have a RP reason or not, and you should not assume that you understand their character better than they do.
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SK2 wrote:
cosmic ray wrote:Doesn't Elminster cross the woods where goblins live too?
To loot the chest every 300 minutes? I doubt...
Yeah, I doubt it too, as Elminster's world is filled with far more interesting things to do.

However, here on BGtSCC, both high and low level characters spend time looting chests every three hundred minutes, yet it seems to be a problem for some only when high levels do it.
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SK2 wrote: No one here demands to explain any presence in the low level area.
And then...
SK2 wrote: To loot the chest every 300 minutes? I doubt...
You are in fact seeking an explanation (not that there is anything wrong with that), but the claim that no one is asking for one hold's no merit. It's been explained, even though one was not required (which you acknowledged). Asking again past that point is circle-talk, meaning you are most likely seeking a different explanation than what was provided in order to elicit a different (and perhaps more favorable to you) outcome than what has already transpired.

You are of course, free to do so, but why continue with this?
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