Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Make that 3 Something into Whirling Dervish for Evasion and later on Expose Weakness.

Or Cleric with proper domain for Evasion?

Dervish Dance needs light armor. So need to start with 16 dex to get 20dex for +5 dex bonus in light Mithrail Chainmail
Str/Dex buid some Race like Tiefling or Wood elf

Is there any other class that can give AB? or AC in context of 2H and not full caster like 25 Bard?

Here's a non-dwarf Dervish version that's been quickly hashed together.

Fighter 12 / Dervish 9 / Anointed Knight 9

Highlights: Human 47 AC, 47 AB, 41 avg dmg, 12 DR/-, 24/17/24 saves (+6 vs spells), Taunt DC 32, Heal 32.

IMA (wand), Tortoise Shell (elixir), and Shield (potion/wand) adds another +11 AC total for 58.

No Uncanny Dodge, however, means that you are somtimes Flat-footed.
Race can be changed, but will lose at least 1 AC and 1 All Saves (Luck of Heroes), and a choice must be made drop one of Heal/Taunt/Listen.

Alternate version replaces Athktatlan Triparite with Improved Power Attack for 44 AC, 44 AB, 47 avg dmg, while retaining all 6 attacks
It is potentially more powerful, but also more reliant on buffs due to losing both 3 AC and AB.

Northlander Hewing will do nothing for this build.

Excellent. Thank you!
Somewhat like one of my blind initial guesses http://nwn2db.com/build/?325906

Whole line of Weapon Specialization doesn't seem to worth 3 feats for 6 damage. And I think it does not multiply for 2H

No Uncanny Dodge more like always flatfooted - I think it is buggy

So much Con asking for Frenzed Berserk

Says Athktatlan Triparite doesn't add AB only damage https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... _Triparite
Maybe Sembian Fencing with IPA? https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Sembian_Fencing
otherwise it is to reliant on Dervish for AB and at best it is 7 minutes (when not forgotten to activate)

Bard build Bard25/FB5 pulls like a magnet. As Inspiration adds damage too. Potential Ethereal Visage to save low AC situation.
With 8 fighter AB is good for IPA. Might be good for Athktatlan Triparite to add +3AC

Trying 16Bard http://nwn2db.com/build/?326369

lavd wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:15 pmWhole line of Weapon Specialization doesn't seem to worth 3 feats for 6 damage. And I think it does not multiply for 2H

It doesn't multiply for 2H, no. However, considering that Fighter gets a lot of bonus feats using the 3 feats to gain 6 bonus damage is not a big cost. The bonus figter feats help get the Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization line of feats, without sacrificing anything else.

Here's another example, taking the Dervish version and replacing it with Frenzied Berserker.

Fighter 12 / Anointed Knight 10 / Frenzied Berserker 5 / Divine Champion 3

Highlights (with items): Human 43 AC, 48 AB, 52.5 avg dmg, 12 DR/-, 32/15/24 saves (+6 vs spells), 550 HP, Taunt DC 32, Heal 33.

IMA (wand), Tortoise Shell (elixir), and Shield (potion/wand) adds another +11 AC total for 54.

No Uncanny Dodge, however, means that you are sometimes Flat-footed.
Race can be changed, but will lose at least 1 AC and 1 All Saves (Luck of Heroes), and a choice must be made drop one of Heal/Taunt/Listen.

Alternate version replaces Sembian Fencing with Athktatlan Triparite for 46 AC, 40 AB, 53.5 avg dmg, while gaining an additional attack for 3 total.

Northlander Hewing will do nothing for this build, since it doesn't lack damage, but would only lose more defenses.

This will definitely solve it. Thanks zhazz you the best!

Here's another example, taking the Dervish version and replacing it with Frenzied Berserker.

I still have a feeling we can squeze dervish in to equesion.
Something like F8 AK7 FB5 Dervish10

lavd wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:04 pm This will definitely solve it. Thanks zhazz you the best!

Here's another example, taking the Dervish version and replacing it with Frenzied Berserker.

I still have a feeling we can squeze dervish in to equesion.
Something like F8 AK7 FB5 Dervish10

I can take a look at it, but my intuition is telling me it will be weaker.

Alright. This is the best I can do with that class combination. It is better on the offenses, but weaker on the defenses. Particularly the Saves are much worse.

It's as good as it's going to get though. Unless I've missed something, in which case I'm sure someone will point it out

Fighter 12 / Dervish 9 / Frenzied Berserker 5 / Anointed Knight 4

Highlights (with items): Human 44 AC, 50 AB, 49 avg dmg, 9 DR/-, 27/19/23 saves (+6 vs spells), 550 HP, Taunt DC 32, Heal 33.

IMA (wand), Tortoise Shell (elixir), and Shield (potion/wand) adds another +11 AC total for 55.

No Uncanny Dodge, however, means that you are sometimes Flat-footed.
Race can be changed, but will lose at least 1 AC and 1 All Saves (Luck of Heroes), and a choice must be made drop one of Heal/Taunt.

Alternate version replaces Sembian Fencing with Athktatlan Triparite for 45 AC, 42 AB, 49 avg dmg, while gaining an additional attack for 3 total.

Northlander Hewing will do nothing for this build, since it doesn't lack damage, but would only lose more defenses.

Thank you zhazz! Totally superb!

- seems 10th lvl of Dervish is better then 4th lvl of AK as FB already gives Toughness

- maybe drop AK all together (though it gives Iron will as bonus to Blind Fight):
F12 Dervish10 FB8 will give Greater Frenzy (+10 STR) and having Const build it might be good idea as Frenzy will last longer and it is +5 AB Dmg for like 10 - 15 rounds
Though can be F12 dervish10 FB5 DChamp3 for + save and extra feat, as we do not need +2AB from Frenzy (all we need is Extra attack per round from it)

- maybe Earth Genasi (or some other Con race not orc as build is a girl) and somehow survive without Able learner? With 12 Fighter it can survive without 2AB (-2AC enemy) from Taunt etc., for healing party can heal

- drop points from Wis and go for Steadfast Determination, and Saves issue solved? probably would not even need Indomitable Soul with it's 2d20 Will save help

- is 9/- DR really worth it on BG? if there is nothing to match it by usefulness of Epic Feats then it is good, clearly better then just +3 Str
though without Con it can lead to 5 + 3 Strength feats so what is better for BG: (4AB 6DMG) or (100Hp and 9/- DR?). Guess we do not need damage or AB here anyway

I have updated the previous build to get Dervish 10 at the cost of 1 level of Anointed knight, since that is indeed more powerful.

Skipping Anointed Knight entirely, however, is not recommended for two reasons:

1. It gives access to Spellcraft for an additional +3 on Saves vs Spells at 30 vs 15 base ranks.
2. It allows any weapon to be used, while giving a means to kill trolls (Anoint Weapon: Fire)

Frenzied Berserker, while strong, is not really all that great outside of the buff to Power Attacks. At least not in my opinion. This is due to the 6 unmitigable damage taken per round from Frenzy. Which in this build will be 10 rounds or 60 damage. The fatigue after is dangerous, if the target is not dead. Additionally Frenzy will add at most 1 damage and 3 AB in this build, which it doesn't really need.

As for Damage Reduction, most mobs in the early epic levels hit for 15 to 20, while they hit for 20 to 30 in the high epic levels. That effectively reduces damage taken by at least 45% (9/20) in early epics, and 30% (9/30) in high epic levels. This is obviously not counting crits, or damage from bosses.

As for Damage Reduction, most mobs in the early epic levels hit for 15 to 20, while they hit for 20 to 30 in the high epic levels. That effectively reduces damage taken by at least 45% (9/20) in early epics, and 30% (9/30) in high epic levels. This is obviously not counting crits, or damage from bosses.

I see, thanks for explanation.

Skipping Anointed Knight entirely, however, is not recommended for two reasons:
It gives access to Spellcraft for an additional +3 on Saves vs Spells at 30 vs 15 base ranks.
It allows any weapon to be used, while giving a means to kill trolls (Anoint Weapon: Fire)

yeah, true, but you need able learner that eats another feat


In any case Sembian Fencing saves the build's AB to pull it to Fighter baseline while IPA.

Thank you all and zhazz the most!

We can mark his resolved, unless someone has other brilliant ideas.

You're very welcome.

I might play something like tihs one day myself too. Though likely not the Dervish one, since I'm not a fan of the limited use stuff to be effective. Not that this really needs the Dervish Dance against regular monsters, but for some bosses it might. Small price to pay though.

oh Weapon Mastery needs Weapon Specialization on BG?

lavd wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:23 pm oh Weapon Mastery needs Weapon Specialization on BG?

Yes, it requires fighter 12 and weapon specialization. See the BGTSCC Wiki.