Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Except for Druid Dragon shape. To which I compare.

The goal has never been to make Vermin Shape the equivalent of Dragon Shape.

chad878262 wrote:The goal has never been to make Vermin Shape the equivalent of Dragon Shape.

THAT wasn't what I expected, however...having it progress to Lvl 30 stats was working just fine!!

BlueAce417 wrote:

Wouldnt be fair. we have to have a huge wisdom score and take a feat to gain access to the shape and you need 30 levels pure druid for it to even be really worth it.... if you start handing that out to anyone who can cast shapechange.... No.. just no.

Dragon Sorcerers are latent with dragon blood. It'd be awesome to have your heritage came full circle. What if it was an epic feat that Sorcerers could pick to turn them into a dragon (of their color and type)? Besides, it's not like we could cast spells when in other forms like Druids.

Thats what dragon disciple was for and they removed it cause reasons. Giving mages access to dragon shapes would mean less druids more mages. Think of the possible build abuse that could go with some of the other prestige..... no just no.

Wolfrayne wrote:

BlueAce417 wrote:

Wouldnt be fair. we have to have a huge wisdom score and take a feat to gain access to the shape and you need 30 levels pure druid for it to even be really worth it.... if you start handing that out to anyone who can cast shapechange.... No.. just no.

Dragon Sorcerers are latent with dragon blood. It'd be awesome to have your heritage came full circle. What if it was an epic feat that Sorcerers could pick to turn them into a dragon (of their color and type)? Besides, it's not like we could cast spells when in other forms like Druids.

Thats what dragon disciple was for and they removed it cause reasons. Giving mages access to dragon shapes would mean less druids more mages. Think of the possible build abuse that could go with some of the other prestige..... no just no.

Your bias is showing.

Incidentally the next PRC is Dragon Disciple, an altered version, and you don't get to be a dragon.

Valefort wrote:Incidentally the next PRC is Dragon Disciple, an altered version, and you don't get to be a dragon.

Does it work with the dragon skills/spells like: Eye of the oracle?

Perhaps. But lets face it the only reason people play druid is to go dragon shape. I also play mages rather heavily, there are numerous builds and ways to play the class with a plethora of different prestiges to play. Druid is dragon shape. What incentives are there outside of rp is there otherwise.

Valefort wrote:Incidentally the next PRC is Dragon Disciple, an altered version, and you don't get to be a dragon.

More caster based no?

Wolfrayne wrote:Perhaps. But lets face it the only reason people play druid is to go dragon shape. I also play mages rather heavily, there are numerous builds and ways to play the class with a plethora of different prestiges to play. Druid is dragon shape. What incentives are there outside of rp is there otherwise.

I was actually playing Druid in the UD to get Spider shape, but that looks to have taken a big nerf...so I guess you are correct after all?!!?

Steve wrote:

Wolfrayne wrote:Perhaps. But lets face it the only reason people play druid is to go dragon shape. I also play mages rather heavily, there are numerous builds and ways to play the class with a plethora of different prestiges to play. Druid is dragon shape. What incentives are there outside of rp is there otherwise.

I was actually playing Druid in the UD to get Spider shape, but that looks to have taken a big nerf...so I guess you are correct after all?!!?

Dont get me wrong i absolutely love the new shapes druids have (still annoyed i cant get ud shapes...) and i know druids are a tough class to beat in pve (sometimes pvp) RP wise they are.. ok? I mean real druids avoid populated areas as they dont like cities.. but really without dragon shape we are gimped pretty hard.

But seriously seriously...can Druid Spidergnome PLEASE be given 30 Levels progression back? At least, I'd request someone state why it was reduced, out of the blue, like this.

Thank you.

From what I know, a Druid can also be a wicked DC caster...I remember Karond once posting a build, showing the seriousness of its power.

But yeah...nothing looks as cool as a dragon kicking arse! I'll grant you that!

We can.. but we have maybe.. 4 good spells. No disjunction or breach etc.. throw a caster druid against any other caster and they will drop. Yes the dc is good but in a caster battle ill take the mage any day.

1) A druid has a variety of abilities, no? Hes some sort of "can do everything". In that case he shouldnt be as good as someone that specializes into a specific thing.

2) Druids got baleful polymorph, which will be a save-or-die spell next update. Combined with owls wisdom a druid can become a powerful transmuter.

3) Druid's Phantom Animals, Dire Animals and some elementals were improved and now work with "augment summoning".

4) No one is taking dragon shapes away from druids.

5) Cavestalker's Spider shape hasnt recieved a nerf. It benefited greatly from magical beast shape changes and had to be brough in line with it again.

Oh what had it before? At level 30: 34 STR 28 DEX 28 CON 3 AC and 2d6+1 bite?
And now? At level 22: 28 STR 25 DEX 25 CON 10 AC and 2d10+1 +1d8 con drain bite, blind-fight?

It lost 6 STR but gained +3 dmg. It lost 3 DEX but gained +7 AC. It lost 3 CON but gained 30 temporary hitpoints.

Not to mention that AC, Dmg, Bite and the feat is granted at cavestalker 1 and it opens up 8 levels of something else as it is maxed at CL 22. Maybe take 8 Fighter for Greater Focus Unarmed and Weapon Spec?

6) A druid can use a wand of breach. When I recall correctly breachable spells were mostly arcane so divine spells have a benefit here.

7) If you want more epic forms than dragon wait for the shifter class. If you stay nice and helpful it might hit the server earlier.