Pale master Summon greater undead question

[Corax]

In my opinion, the situation was fine before extending CGU to the present duration. PM Summon is strong and competitive, as it's everlasting even if a bit worse than CGU. This meant you could invest any number of buffs into it, then send it forward and bomb the area with Negative Energy Bursts and Cloudkills and pwn epic content with ease (say...Oghrann Ruins, for instance).

THEN, CGU got extended as the Summon Creature spells, which is obviously way over the top, as everyone who regularly employed this already very strong summon will understand (I have always played a PM 10, AND kept CGU memorized. It's very good back-up for the PM Summon, or opening against enemies with breaches and mords, for instance. It's also fairly useful in certain PvP situations, when spending rounds to buff a summon is not an option).

Now, how is this a problem of the PM summon? Seriously? What you are asking, is to REVERT CGU DURATION to 6 secs/lvl. Sure, I agree with it. PM Summons brought my Drow wizard to lvl 30 and beyond without a scratch. Dont touch the class, it's good as it is. The devs' time should be spent on what does NOT work.

[breteas]

In my opinion, the situation was fine before extending CGU to the present duration. PM Summon is strong and competitive, as it's everlasting even if a bit worse than CGU. This meant you could invest any number of buffs into it, then send it forward and bomb the area with Negative Energy Bursts and Cloudkills and pwn epic content with ease (say...Oghrann Ruins, for instance).

THEN, CGU got extended as the Summon Creature spells, which is obviously way over the top, as everyone who regularly employed this already very strong summon will understand (I have always played a PM 10, AND kept CGU memorized. It's very good back-up for the PM Summon, or opening against enemies with breaches and mords, for instance. It's also fairly useful in certain PvP situations, when spending rounds to buff a summon is not an option).

Now, how is this a problem of the PM summon? Seriously? What you are asking, is to REVERT CGU DURATION to 6 secs/lvl. Sure, I agree with it. PM Summons brought my Drow wizard to lvl 30 and beyond without a scratch. Dont touch the class, it's good as it is. The devs' time should be spent on what does NOT work.

+1

[Kenshin]

Nothing like a good hit of the nerf bat.

Ah, the QC team in action?

[Corax]

Well, in the specific...I dont think so. I mean...have you seen the arcanes? They dont look like they got nerf-smashed by the caveman's Version of Klitschko, but yeah...

[breteas]

Ah, the QC team in action?

If PM's vampire can single handedly take on Salamanders, Greater Undead, and Wraiths in the Netherese Ruins, yeah. I don't think we should do anything about the summon.

Creater greater undead is just more icing on the cake for Palemasters.

[Blackman D]

can they?

i kinda doubt it but i never went there to test em, the vamp had enough probs with the illithid mines compound

the fighter vamp from the normal CGU i can somewhat see now that you can buff them, i still doubt they can handle the maze all by themselves tho

[breteas]

I RECORDED it. My PM was -DANCING-.

Yeah. that's right. I had my char doing the HAPPY dance while taking on Epic Salamanders. Let me Oblige the thread: http://www.bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=34054

As Corax said. CGU is icing. ICING on the cake.

I RECORDED it. My PM was -DANCING-.

That's right. I got in on VIDEO. Dancing, people. Dancing.

Edit: For future referance. I will resort to posting Video only. Apparently textual explanatory responses will not deal with complaints, suggestions to make content stronger, or complaints about areas or monsters being too hard.

I would post a certain acronym, but I will not. You get the idea.

[breteas]

Gah. <--

Let me edit. I expect any and all that agreed to PM summon needing a revamp to apply to the thread I posted above. I'll take the freedrom to ask a Dm to oblige me with some items and gold to actually test the Pm summon properly. (Can't have it die, now can we.) I await your Pm's.

[Corax]

can they?

i kinda doubt it but i never went there to test em, the vamp had enough probs with the illithid mines compound

the fighter vamp from the normal CGU i can somewhat see now that you can buff them, i still doubt they can handle the maze all by themselves tho

My character, a Drow wizard PM10, could go to the surface at will because of this. If you Play well, yes, it can. No Problem. And I didnt even have UMD.

[Simian]

It is over-powered. It should be nerfed.

[Corax]

It is over-powered. It should be nerfed.

I do not believe so. It's not in need of any bonus, though.

If you think about it in context, its balance is very good. It is weaker than CGU, as it should be (CGU is OP atm, with 1 min/lvl Duration. Should probably be reverted, at least it's what I believe), and it is slightly weaker than Summon Creature IX, but it has all the Undead advantages (the disadvantages are limited, in PvE), you spend your buffs more reliably since it does not end until you rest, but it makes you KoS, which is a huge drawback.

It is one of those things that should definitely be left alone.

[Blackman D]

yea those are things i took in consideration when i made em, then the extended duration to CGU kinda messes things up

by the time i was able to actually use them myself tho it was either on my sorc who well cant have all the good spells being a sorc, then her RCR counterpart who is lacking spells also, so i guess thats why it didnt seem overly strong at the time

either way they were made so you had to spend spells on them so im not too surprised there

[Corax]

yea those are things i took in consideration when i made em, then the extended duration to CGU kinda messes things up

by the time i was able to actually use them myself tho it was either on my sorc who well cant have all the good spells being a sorc, then her RCR counterpart who is lacking spells also, so i guess thats why it didnt seem overly strong at the time

either way they were made so you had to spend spells on them so im not too surprised there

It was a great Job BMD. I love that summon, and the reworked PM in general. My favourite class, cheers .

[breteas]

Yeah, yeah, all nice.

I'm still waiting for the one that makes me post a Recorded video of the PM summon being weak. Anyone? Who wants to show me a reason for agreeing to PM Summon being weak?

I await replies.

Edit: Yeah, this is me saying --> Bring it.

Ps: Dm's this thread can now be locked. Any and all complaints referring to summons, I will happily post videos proving players wrong.

Edit II: Who is up to be proven an idiot by video by claiming I am wrong? Anyone? Careful now. Video doesn't lie.

[Luna]

So CGU to 2 rounds / level ?
That fixes everything?