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The Last Question wrote:Cursing (I cringe every time I see a dwarven soldier being polite with their wording)
Why? Dwarven culture in Forgotten Realms is about honour. Not being vulgar comic relief. Besides, you mention modern slang. Why do you want to use modern curse words? There's a bunch of FR appropriate curse words. Hrast. Stlarn.
The Last Question wrote:FR-exclusive drugs mind-altering substances are forbidden (and I'm not even getting into the whole why-drunk-but-not-high discussion)
Are they?
The Last Question wrote:torture (goodness, we have slave trade)
Allowed. Just don't describe in detail. We don't have slave trade, though. At least not between players.
The Last Question wrote:some more graphic violence and so on...
Also allowed. And also don't describe it in detail.

But how is it really necessary to describe all of this in such gory detail? Can't you just imagine it?
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The Whistler wrote:Favriel, it affects the overall roleplay health of the server when people lock themselves away in their little pocket plane to ERP it out. People have been complaining about unresponsive grinders and serial looters that don't spare a single line of roleplay - that is bad. Players I've known from social servers were some of the most articulate around; squandering all this narrative potential on ERP is just wasteful when they could be weaving inclusive stories for everyone.
im sorry. i dont like ERP, but this line of reasoning is ridiculous. i want ERP against the rules so people will know better than to openly do it. i certainly do not want to run into it. at the same time, what people do while they play, and im not around, i simply dont care about, and there is absolutely no reason i should. it wouldn't surprise me those who like to RP by talking all day at the campfire also tend to be ERPers.
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Im still going to stab people, drink too much, go skinny dipping and have a great time. I think we can get away with quite abit before it gets out of hand.
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Deej wrote:But how is it really necessary to describe all of this in such gory detail? Can't you just imagine it?
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The Last Question wrote:Cursing (I cringe every time I see a dwarven soldier being polite with their wording)
Deathgrowl wrote:Why? Dwarven culture in Forgotten Realms is about honour. Not being vulgar comic relief. Besides, you mention modern slang. Why do you want to use modern curse words? There's a bunch of FR appropriate curse words. Hrast. Stlarn.
You're right. My example was wrong. Perhaps something like rough pirates or so?

Interesting. I had no idea this link with the curse words existed. Damn, this should be a readable item IG (if it isn't already) - that would help a lot.

Regarding slangs, I have to point out that the f-word has been reportedly seen in papers from the 14th century. The c-word goes a century back.

Definitely not modern, yet just examples. What I said before regarded terms like "dude", "chillin", etc.
The Last Question wrote:FR-exclusive drugs mind-altering substances are forbidden (and I'm not even getting into the whole why-drunk-but-not-high discussion)
Deathgrowl wrote:Are they?
I'm confused. It says here that it's probably ok to RP drug use and the effects of it, as long as I keep it under the PG-13 rule. So is it ok for, say, my character to demonstrate his Ferum addiction? Have Fiendflower-induced hallucinations? I'm genuinely curious about this, since I wasn't sure how to express these things IG without breaking the rules.

The Last Question wrote:some more graphic violence and so on...
Deathgrowl wrote:Also allowed. And also don't describe it in detail.
"Allowed, but not exactly allowed."
Deathgrowl wrote:But how is it really necessary to describe all of this in such gory detail? Can't you just imagine it?
Necessary? No. I wouldn't be RPing if I lacked imagination.
Better? Definitely. At least in my opinion.
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The Whistler wrote:Favriel, it affects the overall roleplay health of the server when people lock themselves away in their little pocket plane to ERP it out. People have been complaining about unresponsive grinders and serial looters that don't spare a single line of roleplay - that is bad. Players I've known from social servers were some of the most articulate around; squandering all this narrative potential on ERP is just wasteful when they could be weaving inclusive stories for everyone.
People "lock themselves away" all the time, for all kinds of RP or simply to grind. Nobody bats an eye when two people spend hours sipping wine by a fireplace, or when someone spends days or weeks recovering in a temple. All of these things are arguably "wasteful" because they do not involve everyone. I just wonder who we are to judge others for what they find enjoyable.

I don't particularly care for PG-13 rules. I don't think they make a server a better roleplaying environment. They mainly shield a vocal minority from content they find offensive and limit others in their creative expression. After all, impose these rules upon fantasy writers and many beloved novels that many of us have read would never have been written. That said, while some character concepts and RP scenarios will not work (or not as well), in most cases there are creative ways to stay within the rules.
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Maecius wrote:Just to clarify, the content rules aren't in place because the staff's making some sort of morality statement. They're primarily intended to protect vulnerable player populations.

The Teen rating allows for suggestive roleplay and violence, to the point where it's potentially pretty obvious what was supposed to happen -- it just asks that you fade to black before you get too descriptive with it, and to avoid a few choice taboos (mostly related to sexual violence, though descriptive violence against children is also prohibited).

The reason for this is not to inhibit storytelling or immersion, it's to ensure that all of our players have a safe and comfortable place to play the game.

In particular, these rules are meant to protect vulnerable players -- children, new players, and "people pleasing" personalities who tend to just go along with the flow even when they're not enjoying it. These groups can be coerced into situations that make them uncomfortable by stronger or more manipulative personalities or by groups of more veteran players, and we just don't want that to happen here.

Besides, there are servers better equipped to accommodate more adult-oriented role play. And, as has been suggested, two consenting adults can always take their desired RP outside the game if they so wish it, where they won't potentially force others into an uncomfortable situation. We just don't want a server where players have to worry about slamming their laptop shut when their parents or their children walk into the room. :lol:

BG's family-friendly atmosphere is one of its biggest selling points, after all. It's a place where everyone's (hopefully) allowed to be comfortable and to have fun.
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Rhifox wrote:
I RP for character interactions. Friendships, rivalries, enemies, romance. Watching characters react to moments of great joy, or moments of absolute terror. Seeing how they develop over months and years from their many interactions with other people and the events of the region. Immersing deeply into the characters, and living their lives fully. Sometimes, those interactions lead into intimate encounters.
Whether it matters to you or not Rhifox, the first 2 sentences I quoted from the above, I also RP for, AND FIND, with my adventuring-focused RP. I may be reading you wrong, but it seems that you're implying I don't or can't share the same interests as you, the Player, if I don't allow ERP into my Game on BGTSCC. Which I totally disagree with, and why I edited your quote above, to reflect that both you and I can achieve the same Experience, just without having to "go all the way," if you know what I mean.

Rhifox wrote:Because characters are people, and so have all the desires and needs that real people do.
The above quote is where I think lies a yuuuge problem. PCs are not people, mate. They are fabrications and fantasy of Real People. There is NEVER any instance in which a PC thinks for itself, feels for itself, or makes autonomous choices—this is all Player, acting, and we as Players have/take this responsibility.

Projection can be a dangerous thing when it gets out of control, and I whole heartedly support the Teen rating as a PROTECTION, not just for other Players experience, but for the Player-initiator of said "mature" experience.

We should all really take to heart what Maecius wrote.

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Steve wrote:Whether it matters to you or not Rhifox, the first 2 sentences I quoted from the above, I also RP for, AND FIND, with my adventuring-focused RP. I may be reading you wrong, but it seems that you're implying I don't or can't share the same interests as you, the Player, if I don't allow ERP into my Game on BGTSCC.
I was not trying to imply that at all, and I apologize if I was giving off that impression. I was just trying to describe what I look for in RP, and why that leads me to feel the way I do on this subject.

I have to correct an implication of your own, though: I do adventure RP as well. Hell, it's the main reason I started up playing NWN again. The previous game I was RPing in focused too much on simple chatting and socializing. I came to NWN for the adventure, for being able to have my characters grow from their exposure to trying circumstances. I'd hope that people don't see my previous posts as some argument against adventure, because that isn't what it is. My only thing against adventure, is that I believe adventure is, like anything else, something that needs to serve a point in the story. If I'm in a dungeon, I want to be there because it will have some impact on my characters' stories.

The thing I want to stress, is that I don't view it as some binary topic, where you have only one or the other. I believe in having a fuller range of experience, and that is what I argue for. I've been RPing and writing for almost all of my life. I've a degree in writing. When I consider these things, I think of what they add to the overall story, what they say about the characters. I like to explore all aspects of humanity in my characters, including their sexuality. While this doesn't always need to be RPed, and indeed, usually doesn't (I again want to stress this... I do not at all believe that it is necessary, and certainly not something that should be RPed all the time), it is still something I think about when I develop my characters and something I feel is lost when OOC limitations are put in place. It is a small loss, but still a loss in my eyes.

For me there are very few things that I'd view as too discomforting to RP, because I want to explore the darker, grittier, horrifying side of humanity. Ironically, of the things I do find very uncomfortable, one of them actually exists in someone's RP on this server. I won't speak against the person who does it, though, because I don't view it as my place to tell them what they can and cannot do in their RP, and my being bothered is not and should not be a concern for anyone but myself. It's also not something that anyone other than myself are likely to see any issue with.
PCs are not people, mate. They are fabrications and fantasy of Real People. There is NEVER any instance in which a PC thinks for itself, feels for itself, or makes autonomous choices—this is all Player, acting, and we as Players have/take this responsibility.
Acting, yes. I, for one, prefer to do method acting. By getting into your character's head, feeling what they feel, living their life, you can give them a more convincing portrayal. By allowing yourself to feel the same emotions as the character, you better understand what someone in their position might do in response to various in-character stimuli. I mean, the first time I ever did drugs, or drank alcohol (two things that I had stayed clean of for most of my life), was because I had RP characters who were addicts and I wanted to able to better portray them by experiencing it myself. I'm quite active when I RP; I'm constantly getting up, moving around, acting out what they are doing. For me, the character does drive the story, because by letting myself feel their emotions I can understand how they will react to the situations they are in.

But, none of that was really the point here. The point was that who the player behind the character is shouldn't mean anything, because it is your character responding to the actions of their character. I don't care if the player behind the other character is a man, woman, child, the elderly, white, black, gay, trans, whatever. I don't care if their player is someone that I've had an argument with, or dislike. All that matters is who their character is, what that character is doing, and how my character would respond to it.
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I think that you missed out the G in RPG.
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Thorsson wrote:I think that you missed out the G in RPG.
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The server exists physically in a location where should an event arise because of lax community rules that requires the law to intervene, take an approximate guess on how fast a warrant is issued and the server disappears.

If ERP is to happen, at least change the communication medium for the good of the community. No one is saying that your mature rated content can't take shape, just inappropriate for this particular one.

Also, A/S/L, Whistler? ;)
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From my understanding as it was explained to me by an original DM here on BG, the PG-13 rule is more of a legal issue. The reason BG follows the PG rule is because it is the games original rating. By keeping true to the rating you avoid things where adult themes are not only being demonstrated to a 13 year old, but at times acted upon directly the character of the said 13 year old. In the past many servers have been shut down because of these violations. I am fully aware of 18+ servers, but many of those have thrived off of their careful wording and lawyer-like server policies. We actually have many young players here on BG, I can name 4 or 5 players under the age of 16 off the top of my head. Some of which are the children of other players. By honoring PG-13 and enforcing it, BG is less vulnerable to getting shut down for something idiotic. I dont know if we have a server lawyer to go up to bat for us.

As for my opinion on the matter: Some of you wont like it
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Anyhow there are plenty of populated 18+ servers. If the gritty vulgarity of the world is important to you, go there. There is nothing wrong with liking a gritty world, I love rated R movies.
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Why? Dwarven culture in Forgotten Realms is about honour. Not being vulgar comic relief.
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Aspect of Sorrow wrote:Also, A/S/L, Whistler? ;)
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