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Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:46 pm
by Steve
Reads like Negs is offering to be a DM! :twisted:

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:04 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Herisheft wrote:Taking ONE level or ONE xp, how is that creating a possibility to cheat or exploit?
One level is enough for certain class. Because the DMs are not familair with every exploit, it is easier for them to play it safe and say no.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:25 pm
by DM Theophanies
Just to clarify we can delevel you if the DM feels comfortable and if we are not busy. It is the player's responsibility to build their character's correctly.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:52 pm
by thids
I would for one like to ask why during these 6+ months that we have had the 100% RCR have critical balance issues of this server not been addressed?

Why was Expose Weakness not nerfed appropriately?
Why was divine power not nerfed?
Why were Favored Souls not toned down?
Why were bards not toned down?
Why were dragon druids left alone?
Why has nothing been done for the non-caster fighter types?
Why was evasion not brought in line?


I'm sure others can add more.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:58 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Thids wrote:I would for one like to ask why during these 6+ months that we have had the 100% RCR have critical balance issues of this server not been addressed?

Why was Expose Weakness not nerfed appropriately?
Why was divine power not nerfed?
Why were Favored Souls not toned down?
Why were bards not toned down?
Why were dragon druids left alone?
Why has nothing been done for the non-caster fighter types?
Why was evasion not brought in line?


I'm sure others can add more.
Two reasons

Uno - The 100% rcr was about the issues of the "big" update. It was not about fixing Thid's list
Dos - There was no need nor we wanted to spend any time to fix Thid's list.

I hope those covered you

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:08 pm
by thids
mrm3ntalist wrote:
Thids wrote:I would for one like to ask why during these 6+ months that we have had the 100% RCR have critical balance issues of this server not been addressed?

Why was Expose Weakness not nerfed appropriately?
Why was divine power not nerfed?
Why were Favored Souls not toned down?
Why were bards not toned down?
Why were dragon druids left alone?
Why has nothing been done for the non-caster fighter types?
Why was evasion not brought in line?


I'm sure others can add more.
Two reasons

Uno - The 100% rcr was about the issues of the "big" update. It was not about fixing Thid's list
Dos - There was no need nor we wanted to spend any time to fix Thid's list.

I hope those covered you
gotcha, the QC team has no idea what balance in a game like this is, or is being held back by biased individuals within it. I was just making sure.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:16 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Thids wrote:gotcha, the QC team has no idea what balance in a game like this is, or is being held back by biased individuals within it. I was just making sure.
No idea at all. We are waiting for Thids to teach us... :D

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:19 pm
by Eclypticon
Thids wrote:
gotcha, the QC team has no idea what balance in a game like this is, or is being held back by biased individuals within it. I was just making sure.
Respectfully, you probably have no idea what is going on in QC, so please, be careful not to make assumptions. A great deal of things have been discussed, but for one good reason or another, we are not addressing those items at this time. Thank you for caring though.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:25 pm
by thids
There is literally no good reason to avoid majority of the balance issues I noted above, let alone all.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:31 pm
by Eclypticon
I can assure you QC has looked over all those things and cares quite a bit about over all balance, but this topic is about an RCR token and loosely RCRing. If you want to make a thread about how you may believe QC is not doing what is in the best interest of the community balance wise, then feel free to address those issues there.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:35 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Thids wrote:There is literally no good reason to avoid majority of the balance issues I noted above, let alone all.
No reason for you

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:42 pm
by thids
Eclypticon wrote:I can assure you QC has looked over all those things and cares quite a bit about over all balance, but this topic is about an RCR token and loosely RCRing. If you want to make a thread about how you may believe QC is not doing what is in the best interest of the community balance wise, then feel free to address those issues there.
I asked a legitimate question, directly related to the 100% RCR functionality currently available for a short period of time, and is related to the proposed tokens as they could be used in the future to provide support for those who may be affected by bigger balance changes. The "QC coordinator" was pissed off at me and turned it into a personal attack.

Hence, you can understand why I am not convinced one bit about the effectiveness of the QC team, and your assurances at this point mean very little to me.

mrm3ntalist wrote:
Thids wrote:There is literally no good reason to avoid majority of the balance issues I noted above, let alone all.
No reason for you
No reason for anyone with common sense ;)

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:43 pm
by Rhifox
Thids' list is a good list.

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:46 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Thids wrote:
Eclypticon wrote:I can assure you QC has looked over all those things and cares quite a bit about over all balance, but this topic is about an RCR token and loosely RCRing. If you want to make a thread about how you may believe QC is not doing what is in the best interest of the community balance wise, then feel free to address those issues there.
I asked a legitimate question, directly related to the 100% RCR functionality currently available for a short period of time, and is related to the proposed tokens as they could be used in the future to provide support for those who may be affected by bigger balance changes. The "QC coordinator" was pissed off at me and turned it into a personal attack.

Hence, you can understand why I am not convinced one bit about the effectiveness of the QC team, and your assurances at this point mean very little to me.
Pissed off? Not even close. I explained to you why we didnt work on Thid's list. You might not like it but thats what it is.
mrm3ntalist wrote:
Thids wrote:There is literally no good reason to avoid majority of the balance issues I noted above, let alone all.
No reason for you
No reason for anyone with common sense ;)
ahaha, I cant top that :D

Re: Suggestion: The RCR Token

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:04 pm
by Eclypticon
Thids wrote:
Eclypticon wrote:I can assure you QC has looked over all those things and cares quite a bit about over all balance, but this topic is about an RCR token and loosely RCRing. If you want to make a thread about how you may believe QC is not doing what is in the best interest of the community balance wise, then feel free to address those issues there.
I asked a legitimate question, directly related to the 100% RCR functionality currently available for a short period of time, and is related to the proposed tokens as they could be used in the future to provide support for those who may be affected by bigger balance changes. The "QC coordinator" was pissed off at me and turned it into a personal attack.

Hence, you can understand why I am not convinced one bit about the effectiveness of the QC team, and your assurances at this point mean very little to me.

mrm3ntalist wrote:
Thids wrote:There is literally no good reason to avoid majority of the balance issues I noted above, let alone all.
No reason for you
No reason for anyone with common sense ;)
Personally, I do not find your comments very productive. Your list is actually somewhat knowledgeable though. I'm not sure why you didn't spend your time writing an application letter to join QC rather than making needless accusations that only work to demoralize the people that try to help and have spent countless hours trying to make this a better place.

I do feel your frustration regarding some of those things mentioned and steps have been made in some instances.

If you think QC is ineffective regarding balance, then perhaps you missed the whole situation over Kaedrin custom content. A Google search aught to inform you about those things.

I am for keeping the RCR up a bit longer and making changes to it (see above). I'd like us to address EW and FvS. One of the things that makes an effective team is compromise, so, if you are not willing to make them, you will not get very far.