Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Empoweredfan wrote:I'm mostly worried about a DM becoming abusive without the restraints of the rules. Because there would be little stopping one, if they locked you up in their events by IC means.

I do not think this is an issue. I do not think it ever was. If it was it is not now.

I also think people are arguing for their own personal rp and this thread has become a round about for general rp.

Mallore wrote:

Empoweredfan wrote:I'm mostly worried about a DM becoming abusive without the restraints of the rules. Because there would be little stopping one, if they locked you up in their events by IC means.

I do not think this is an issue. I do not think it ever was. If it was it is not now.

I also think people are arguing for their own personal rp and this thread has become a round about for general rp.

It was an issue. A very serious issue. I didn't give the example of lip eating earlier without a reason for it. However, I do agree that it is probably not going to be an issue today. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't become an issue once more.

As for breaking the PG-13 rules with the mentioned scenes.I will argue that I didn't, since I am a little proud of the way we played those scenes out. But I'll let that stand as is.

As for Tony Soprano. You could play something like him, but you'd have to avoid spontanius outbursts of graphic violence. You are however, allowed to hit someone and act like a violent, uncontrollable person. Gaerut managed that pretty well.

We play a game where the main way of combat, is to hack creatures up with swords and other nasty weapons designed to kill someone. That is acceptable. However you don't need to describe that in every horrible detail. And not even then is there too many bounderies to keep in mind. I am sure that anyone here can emote and describe a battle between two people, without having to resort to anything nastier than 'He/she screamed out in pain' at one point or another. And even that is optional. Even duels could, with imagination be fought with the flat of a blade.

Empoweredfan wrote:

Mallore wrote:

Empoweredfan wrote:I'm mostly worried about a DM becoming abusive without the restraints of the rules. Because there would be little stopping one, if they locked you up in their events by IC means.

I do not think this is an issue. I do not think it ever was. If it was it is not now.

I also think people are arguing for their own personal rp and this thread has become a round about for general rp.

As for breaking the PG-13 rules with the mentioned scenes.I will argue that I didn't, since I am a little proud of the way we played those scenes out. But I'll let that stand as is.

As for Tony Soprano. You could play something like him, but you'd have to avoid spontanius outbursts of graphic violence. You are however, allowed to hit someone and act like a violent, uncontrollable person. Gaerut managed that pretty well.

While I will agree with most of what you said. Also realize I do have my concerns and they align with yours for the most part


Yes you broke the pg13 rule and didn't realize it. That is a fact. Rating is complicated and the sheer implication, suggestion of the act regardless of visual discriptive content is breaking the rule. That's is what it means to be pg13. It is about theme and situation over content.


Further more on the tony example. He's more then a violent thug. He is a womanizer, a victim of abuse house hold, narcissist. He is a man of a criminal empire that manages prostituon and gun running with old school resistance of the drug culture from his fathers generation. Tony is an ID desirer of a primal instinct of modern man. Power, which is lusted for by women, wealth achieved by own will not given by 'the man', Respect, gained by sheer strength of body. These are not pg13 themes though close.

I guess if people are really THIS concerned about the situation, DMs probably should be afraid of ruffling feathers.

Disappointing.

Selande wrote:I guess if people are really THIS concerned about the situation, DMs probably should be afraid of ruffling feathers.

Disappointing.

It is probably a mole hill. Being made into a mountain.

I would like to apologize Mallor. I saw what you were writing, but didn't really stop to think it through properly. You might be right that wording maybe should change, but where would one even start?

Still think you are a wrong about the Soprano analogy though. There are already several abuse victims, woanizers, and bad tempered characters on the server. Most, the DM's probably know about. But then, that is perhaps why you feel the words have to change?

So. I will now stop making a mountain out of this.

Empoweredfan wrote:I would like to apologize Mallor. I saw what you were writing, but didn't really stop to think it through properly. You might be right that wording maybe should change, but where would one even start?

No need to apologize. I love discussions, especially on topics I know way to much about and way to often run into. . Plus I love a bit of arguing in good fun that grows positive results.


Honestly most professional writing guidilines can be found on inter net searches. I know there is a very bad set of summaries on some sort of government site, FCC. Most houses have there own hand outs, on what is acceptable to pass review.


It really just take time, and most people are doing it. I recall in school (fire was new, I'm old). We made lists of the 100 no's and the 100 yes's you can show on tv. Obviously not valid any longer and not what I'm advocating.

Someone just has to sit down, write out a bit of lose guidelines and people will be like. "Yeah that's what I meant!" There will be that one sad ERP puppy who will pout in the corner, but what ever.


Basically to top things off I would like to see Tony like villians. But sex, go to another realm! Or you know..... date irl. Lol

By your words then, our server does not follow the PG-13 rules as they may stand written? But that all being cleared up, there are still boundaries that we play up against at this point in time. Let me then replace the PG-13 wording from earlier, with those rules, because I believe they are sufficient for our needs.

I still believe that you can soprano it up all you want, but without going overboard with it to the extent that the rules are broken, as we are playing them. I might not be an expert on Soprano, but I am willing to bet that Tony doesn't go around sharing his emotions and traumas with anyone but his psychologist. Which, luckily, we don't have on our server. The rules should also be there to stop characters from having to experience the trauma while they are on our server. So no player character should have had to experience rape or graphic torture by NPC's or PC's and have to live out the experience or the after effect while they are here.

(Because, if someone have been unfortunate enough to have experienced similar things in real life, they are entitled to not be reminded of such things here. Where we escape reality, into our little community.)

Empoweredfan wrote:By your words then, our server does not follow the PG-13 rules as they may stand written. But that all being cleared up, there are still boundaries that we play up against at this point in time. Let me then replace the PG-13 wording from earlier, with those rules, because I believe they are sufficient for our needs.

I still believe that you can soprano it up all you want, but without going overboard with it to the extent that the rules are broken, as we are playing them. I might not be an expert on Soprano, but I am willing to bet that Tony doesn't go around sharing his emotions and traumas with anyone but his psychologist. Which, luckily, we don't have on our server. The rules should also be there to stop characters from having to experience the trauma while they are on our server. So no player character should have had to experience rape or graphic torture by NPC's or PC's and have to live out the experience or the after effect while they are here.

I think your absolutely right.

Probably people (some) need clarification is all. Others maybe detered by tittle. A few maybe fearful of that line, when they are no where near it.


As for character trauma. I've said it a million times. Certian trauma can not be rp'ed, it just can not be done well or effective. It's perma strikes in my head as it's just something a character does not recover from with out years of professional help, or if ever.

Selande wrote:Disappointing.

Honestly the only change requested here is for what? More hardcore torture? Swearing? Slavery?

Torture already occurs but is only described to the point of narrative. Any further adds nothing and honestly people are not averse to it, it simply cheapens the experience. I doubt very many of us would be uncomfortable with the best torture to you could come up with. Go ahead and try on here if you want. Once you start describing the various parts of the epidermis being peeled back I will be yawning.

Swearing isn't allowed as far as I can tell for two reasons. #1 to appease SJW's and prevent people from using racial slurs. #2 To keep the server open to younger folks who might join. I am sure some of us have children at about that age. Feel free to use realmslore to swear or translate words in secret and use those.

Slavery from what I heard is no longer allowed because someone couldn't handle it. If it was a repeated problem where people kept getting upset about the results or if it ended in ERP too often oh well. It is gone. Forcing the DM's to deal with it could ruin far more RP than it would create. I could be wrong here but that is what I heard.

The entirety of this can be summed up on the ERP topic that was discussed 3 months ago and locked. If you want to ERP, be a slave, swear, or type out torture fantasies feel free to RP your character boarding a spelljammer, flying into realmspace with the Firefly/serenity themesong playing as you go to haven. Meanwhile actually load up haven and RP your heart out there. I am sure they would welcome new players and you can return when you want to do more sjw rp. No harm, no foul, some might not consider it canonical but who caresas long as you enjoy it?

Again for the record I voted yes for reasons regarding freedom of speech, but I would hope no DM's utilized it.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Torture already occurs but is only described to the point of narrative. Any further adds nothing and honestly people are not averse to it, it simply cheapens the experience. I doubt very many of us would be uncomfortable with the best torture to you could come up with. Go ahead and try on here if you want. Once you start describing the various parts of the epidermis being peeled back I will be yawning.

Well, you'd be wrong in that. As I said in a previous post, I have absolutely no interest in people's torture fantasies. I find it disgusting and I don't want to read it, so I stay away from places on the internet where torture is described in graphic detail.

Maybe you enjoy those horror movies. I never did.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Swearing isn't allowed as far as I can tell for two reasons. #1 to appease SJW's and prevent people from using racial slurs. #2 To keep the server open to younger folks who might join. I am sure some of us have children at about that age. Feel free to use realmslore to swear or translate words in secret and use those.

This has nothing to do with SJWs. There are conservatives who also take issue with swearing. People just somehow get offended by words regardless of context. But the main reason is the second of your two reasons: It keeps the server open to anyone who also legally can play (buy) the game. It is rated Teen, and so the server also tries to go for that.

But you can still use IC forgotten realms swear words.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Again for the record I voted yes for reasons regarding freedom of speech, but I would hope no DM's utilized it.

While I agree with you on the necessity for freedom of expression on the internet, this is hardly the platform for it. After all, we're also asked not to debate politics or religion on the forums. For good reason. It just causes heat that is rather demonstrably causing animosity between people, as I am all too certain you can see all over the internet already. That is detrimental to the goals of the server.

Deathgrowl wrote:

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Torture already occurs but is only described to the point of narrative. Any further adds nothing and honestly people are not averse to it, it simply cheapens the experience. I doubt very many of us would be uncomfortable with the best torture to you could come up with. Go ahead and try on here if you want. Once you start describing the various parts of the epidermis being peeled back I will be yawning.

Well, you'd be wrong in that. As I said in a previous post, I have absolutely no interest in people's torture fantasies. I find it disgusting and I don't want to read it, so I stay away from places on the internet where torture is described in graphic detail.

Maybe you enjoy those horror movies. I never did.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Swearing isn't allowed as far as I can tell for two reasons. #1 to appease SJW's and prevent people from using racial slurs. #2 To keep the server open to younger folks who might join. I am sure some of us have children at about that age. Feel free to use realmslore to swear or translate words in secret and use those.

This has nothing to do with SJWs. There are conservatives who also take issue with swearing. People just somehow get offended by words regardless of context. But the main reason is the second of your two reasons: It keeps the server open to anyone who also legally can play (buy) the game. It is rated Teen, and so the server also tries to go for that.

But you can still use IC forgotten realms swear words.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Again for the record I voted yes for reasons regarding freedom of speech, but I would hope no DM's utilized it.

While I agree with you on the necessity for freedom of expression on the internet, this is hardly the platform for it. After all, we're also asked not to debate politics or religion on the forums. For good reason. It just causes heat that is rather demonstrably causing animosity between people, as I am all too certain you can see all over the internet already. That is detrimental to the goals of the server.

+1 to everything DG said... really well put!

Video game rating of teen does not equal pg-13. It's close but not the same. People confuse video game ratings (self regulated) with broadcast/visual media ratings ( government regulated)

Worth stating I do not want to see people's crazy fetish stuff.

Deathgrowl wrote:

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Torture already occurs but is only described to the point of narrative. Any further adds nothing and honestly people are not averse to it, it simply cheapens the experience. I doubt very many of us would be uncomfortable with the best torture to you could come up with. Go ahead and try on here if you want. Once you start describing the various parts of the epidermis being peeled back I will be yawning.

Well, you'd be wrong in that. As I said in a previous post, I have absolutely no interest in people's torture fantasies. I find it disgusting and I don't want to read it, so I stay away from places on the internet where torture is described in graphic detail.

Maybe you enjoy those horror movies. I never did.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Swearing isn't allowed as far as I can tell for two reasons. #1 to appease SJW's and prevent people from using racial slurs. #2 To keep the server open to younger folks who might join. I am sure some of us have children at about that age. Feel free to use realmslore to swear or translate words in secret and use those.

This has nothing to do with SJWs. There are conservatives who also take issue with swearing. People just somehow get offended by words regardless of context. But the main reason is the second of your two reasons: It keeps the server open to anyone who also legally can play (buy) the game. It is rated Teen, and so the server also tries to go for that.

But you can still use IC forgotten realms swear words.

AlwaysSummer Day wrote:Again for the record I voted yes for reasons regarding freedom of speech, but I would hope no DM's utilized it.

While I agree with you on the necessity for freedom of expression on the internet, this is hardly the platform for it. After all, we're also asked not to debate politics or religion on the forums. For good reason. It just causes heat that is rather demonstrably causing animosity between people, as I am all too certain you can see all over the internet already. That is detrimental to the goals of the server.

It wasn't directed at you as such I fail to see how I would be wrong in that. You seem to be completely agreeing with everything I said in fact. Oh and conservative people can certainly be SJW's. Language and indeed the very evolution of language is often stymied by such ignorance but oh well. As I said I am all for the ability to use such things but certainly hope DM's and players alike are wise enough to not.