Egg Shen wrote:Yes. It is that big of a stretch. It's a completely different skill. I'm fine with it if we want to make a new skill or tie it into perform or something. Add a feat or some magic spells to make it happen. But assuming that somebody who has perfected stealth has also perfected ventriloquism or throwing their voice doesn't seem right to me. That argument seems like it could be used to tie together some very loosely associated things, and not for the betterment of our gameplay experience. Well, 80 swim can swim up a waterfall, so you need to roll a DC based on my 80 intimidate or give me all your gold and crap your pants (and that's actually much more closely linked than sneaking = voice throwing...).Hoihe wrote:So, considering we can balance on clouds and swim up waterfalls...
Is it really that big of a stretch that someone with 60+ points in H/MS is able to reliably whisper, or throw their voice occasionally?
And let's not forget that spot and listen Checks, according to that same page, can do some pretty amazing things as well that aren't currently represented in game.
And anyone who wants to spot things can buy +4 spot items for 15k or less, and often with bonus feats and stats on the same item. People who want to hide shell out hundreds of thousands for a +4 H/MS piece of equipment, often without any other beneficial stats.
Betterment of gameplay requires bringing up how incredibly easy it is for a completely untrained spotter to ruin the day of a sneaker with UMD and gear.
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