Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

NegInfinity wrote:False dichotomy, no double standard, incorrect assumption about alignments.
Surfacers are KoS in Underdark. Underark players are KoS on surface. Upper dark is neutral for both. This looks fair enough to me.

Yes, thank you for re-establishing the current rules. The subject of consequence is the double standard, no matter the context. There's much more cause for consequence of being a human in the Underdark than being evil on the surface.

Aka - the Upperdark should stop being neutral if we want to look at the logic of consequence. And the fact you use the word "fair" is baffling to me.

This is a lot of banter over KoS rules, when KoS rules are effectively defeated by wearing a full face mask, as that counts as a full disguise and it's godmodding (long established by DMs) to use the shape of a drow model (for example) to say it's a drow.

There's nothing stopping you from emoting hostility (as per the rules, which gives the other player a chance to RP out of the situation) and then attacking instead of attacking immediately. it is an RP server right?

flipside43 wrote:
There's nothing stopping you from emoting hostility (as per the rules, which gives the other player a chance to RP out of the situation) and then attacking instead of attacking immediately. it is an RP server right?

The entire purpose of this thread originally was to bring attention to the profound consistency of which surface players entirely ignore Underdark PCs emoting hostility.

Since when is running away from a drow not legit?

Seriously, if it's an issue, screen and send to the DM team.

Dude,

It's not running away. It's the behavior of which the Drow doesn't even exist in the first place while he's standing right next to you. While you continue to go around and bash chests and loot bones as the Drow chases you trying to grab your attention.

The rules, as they stand now, state I just have to sit and watch you bash chests and loot bones. Which quite frankly is a dumb rule.

Again, send your complaint to the DMs. What you've done on the forum is borderline breaking the third forum rule as this is clearly a grievance against another player or players. The proper approach is to send this to the DM team.

It's a grievance against a rule, not a player. Notice I didn't mention any player by name.

Rinzler wrote:The rules, as they stand now, state I just have to sit and watch you bash chests and loot bones.

What rule is it you refer to?

Pimple wrote:

Rinzler wrote:The rules, as they stand now, state I just have to sit and watch you bash chests and loot bones.

What rule is it you refer to?

That the Upperdark is neutral and thus I have to treat a human in the Upperdark as I would a Drow in the Underdark.

Quote that in the rules please.

What rule is it that says that? I don't see that anywhere, but if you can point to it it can be discussed. The upperdark is not neutral IC, you seem to be mistaking OOC and IC.

flipside43 wrote:Quote that in the rules please.

PvP Rules & Guidelines wrote: - Underdark players on the surface, and surface players within the tunnels of the Underdark, who have been identified are considered to have consented to PvP and may be killed on sight. The exceptions are for the city of Sshamath and the Upperdark, where all involved are still required to follow normal PvP rules.

How do you get from this...

PvP Rules & Guidelines wrote: - Underdark players on the surface, and surface players within the tunnels of the Underdark, who have been identified are considered to have consented to PvP and may be killed on sight. The exceptions are for the city of Sshamath and the Upperdark, where all involved are still required to follow normal PvP rules.

To this? O.o

Rinzler wrote:The rules, as they stand now, state I just have to sit and watch you bash chests and loot bones.

Rinzler wrote:

flipside43 wrote:Quote that in the rules please.

PvP Rules & Guidelines wrote: - Underdark players on the surface, and surface players within the tunnels of the Underdark, who have been identified are considered to have consented to PvP and may be killed on sight. The exceptions are for the city of Sshamath and the Upperdark, where all involved are still required to follow normal PvP rules.

Which simply means that you're not allowed to murder other players without any warning.

Interact with people. RP hostility, and initiate combat once all rules has been adhered to.

Pimple wrote:How do you get from this...

PvP Rules & Guidelines wrote: - Underdark players on the surface, and surface players within the tunnels of the Underdark, who have been identified are considered to have consented to PvP and may be killed on sight. The exceptions are for the city of Sshamath and the Upperdark, where all involved are still required to follow normal PvP rules.

To this? O.o

Rinzler wrote:The rules, as they stand now, state I just have to sit and watch you bash chests and loot bones.

Surface PCs are allowed to use that rule as a defense mechanism while in the Upperdark. Thus, they can go around and loot and grind and completely ignore the existence of any Underdark race they come across and suffer no consequences IC or OOC.

At this point, I think we all know where each other stand. There's not much more to be gained until when/if DMs/Devs make a ruling.