Evasion - Not in Heavy/Medium Armor

[Valefort]

You can make a CL30 gish. What does dc have to do with with the dispel fix? Gosh has never had good dc's and aren't about save or x...they just buff and bash, dispel fix just made them slower at it.
W10/EK10/PM10, only 4 APR and CL29, but crypt immunity without needing iron body.

W13+EK10/DS7 5APR and CL30.

There are still several options to build an arcane gish, even without the upcoming blade singer prc.

That's at level 30 from level 20-29 you can get dispelled no problem by

•Balor
•Summons
•Vampires


Not to mention the breach list that is longer than a (germbag)'s tongue.

To me it seems plausible but not viable since you pretty much have to 100% rcr into it.

Also, blade singer is race specific only. I for one do not enjoy playing an elf. No offense to any that do.

With that build your CL is always equal to your HD, there is no particualr dispelling issue.

[Kagger911]

You can make a CL30 gish. What does dc have to do with with the dispel fix? Gosh has never had good dc's and aren't about save or x...they just buff and bash, dispel fix just made them slower at it.
W10/EK10/PM10, only 4 APR and CL29, but crypt immunity without needing iron body.

W13+EK10/DS7 5APR and CL30.

There are still several options to build an arcane gish, even without the upcoming blade singer prc.

That's at level 30 from level 20-29 you can get dispelled no problem by

•Balor
•Summons
•Vampires


Not to mention the breach list that is longer than a (germbag)'s tongue.

To me it seems plausible but not viable since you pretty much have to 100% rcr into it.

Also, blade singer is race specific only. I for one do not enjoy playing an elf. No offense to any that do.

With that build your CL is always equal to your HD, there is no particualr dispelling issue.

Dope, but is it a evasion melee build?

[Valefort]

That wasn't really the matter was it ? Besides this build doesn't need evasion in the slightest.

[Calodan]

That wasn't really the matter was it ? Besides this build doesn't need evasion in the slightest.

No an arcane gish would not need evasion with Mirrors, Displacement and Premonition. Where Divine Gishes really could make use of it since the idea behind them is Extreme AC coupled with Crit immune and SR from spell but that is on Breach list so........

///EDIT with much thought put in on this. I do not think this would affect my build in the slightest. Will no longer continue this pointless argument at this juncture.

[Akroma666]

But EVERYONE knows it's broke. The question is whether we should leave it alone even though to broke and just fixing what is broke about the cannot occur.

Is it really? If we did the proposed changes it would only solidify the caster superiority. I look at it from a game mechanics point of view.. it's working as intended.

[aaron22]

But EVERYONE knows it's broke. The question is whether we should leave it alone even though to broke and just fixing what is broke about the cannot occur.

Is it really? If we did the proposed changes it would only solidify the caster superiority. I look at it from a game mechanics point of view.. it's working as intended.

so... auto-hit is not a bug? i do not argue to anyone that caster types run the power game and this would only widen the gap. though i will argue that the auto-hit of EW is a bug. a bug that cannot be fixed it seems without ruining the whole feat or causing another unintended consequence.

[Calodan]

But EVERYONE knows it's broke. The question is whether we should leave it alone even though to broke and just fixing what is broke about the cannot occur.

Is it really? If we did the proposed changes it would only solidify the caster superiority. I look at it from a game mechanics point of view.. it's working as intended.

so... auto-hit is not a bug? i do not argue to anyone that caster types run the power game and this would only widen the gap. though i will argue that the auto-hit of EW is a bug. a bug that cannot be fixed it seems without ruining the whole feat or causing another unintended consequence.

Exactly so why even discuss it further? That can not be fixed but what can be fixed is how much the AC debuff can stack by changing the cool down timer. That can be addressed. Which in my mind makes sense now that I think about it. DMs have to think if the party can all debuff their monster and take away 30AC in 2 seconds......if we limit that then DMs can stop PBing Monsters we face (well some will. DM Wagner will always be DM UBER MONSTERS......)

[chad878262]

Well, changing the cooldown timer fixes how much AC a SOLO player can debuff, but it doesn't fix the issue of 3-6 players in a party where all of them have EW... Not sure if there is a way to cap the EW penalty completely or not.

Point being even if there is such a change your buddies in MDWagner's events still have whatever slight chance you currently have against his uber BBEG's...

[aaron22]

couldnt it act like KD. you can connect a KD on an aleady KD'd opponent, but it doesnt stack the effect. wouldn't something like that be plausable.

[Vogar Eol]

These EW ideas are for the other thread, where they will be more useful.

Remember these are quite literally two separate topics. The cooldown timer on EW has no real relevance to if Evasion should work for 650hp Orcs in Fullplate running down a tunnel of epic traps.

[Stonebar]

At level 12, a random dwarf can do 40 damage each attack, and by 30 they'll be dealing 7 attacks a round, and since their main stat is damage and AB combined, almost all their attacks will hit.

Ok, why did no one tell me Dwarves got a 7th attack! You know 6 out of 7 Dwarves are not happy.

[AlwaysSummer Day]

So wait. . . Which main stat is AB and which one is dmg? CON or CON? Or is it the negative CHA or DEX?

[Mallore]

So take evasion away from all these plate wearing melee guys...

yet let the Hips Mages keep it.. along with there full CL's


score one for balance? come on...

[Vogar Eol]

Define balance?

[Lockonnow]

how long shall this post run?