Surfacefolk to Underdark Relations

[Ravial]

Not really in this region

There should be Eilistraeean drow in the Misty Forest

Yeah, that's literally the only place (and the place in which I wanted a guild hall for the Eilistraeen when I was part of it) where you actually may have small pockets of drow in our current server setting range. Albeit, those are supposedly on the edge of the forest rather than inside of it.

[Balthomer]

Not really in this region

There should be Eilistraeean drow in the Misty Forest

Yeah, that's literally the only place (and the place in which I wanted a guild hall for the Eilistraeen when I was part of it) where you actually may have small pockets of drow in our current server setting range. Albeit, those are supposedly on the edge of the forest rather than inside of it.

Didnt those get slaughtered/displaced by the undead plague?

[Ravial]

Different forest. That happened in the Reaching Woods.

[JIŘÍ]

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I hope that you understand the difference between surface worship of Dark Maiden and drow followers.

The surface follwoers usually do not have that agenda of redemption of drow race as rarely get into contact with drow (on FR, not on gaming modules). Many of them are freedom fighters, who oppose slavery, like Harpers. An elven priestess is going to earn distrust from her community for obvious reasons but she is still an elf (I am leaving Evermeet aside, it is an extrem case), but noone can doubts she is true follower of Dark Maiden and that Maiden is actually good goddess.

It however does not mean surface followers will get along with drow followers. I had supposed to be eilistraeen follower hating my eilistraen priestess with deep fervour, who worked hard to make our life hell, just outsiders did not like him generally and he was not an elf so his words held no merit. We were along elven forces on an event and when king with his suite departed that guy and his elven priest of X turned on us with fight nearly breaking out but we got back up of the human paladin and his friends so They teleported a second before pvp would break out. King was forcing us into cooperation and to cease the grudge but it just made both of our characters dislike even more each other


On the other, first contact of my drow priestess with elven priestesses ended in total disaster. These two elves expected my drow to be full of sorrow and pitty for being a drow and naturally my drow priestess had no such feelings, she (as any other living being) was happy to be living and breathing. I got to the point where coronal trusted her more than own elven clergy (a serie of small deeds on behalf of elves), and the gap was never crossed till one of elves ceased to play, and second gave up on Maiden after heavy torture from drow and finding sanctuary by merciful Ilmater (a point from which the elf accepted my drow but my drow on contrary began to despise her for turning on her goddess).


So it always comes down to the individual character, that one is eilistraeen does not mean she or he will like or cooperate with others (it is most likely yes, but...). Being eilsitraeen does not mean you strive to redeem drow either. She has much larger portfolio, from fight for freedom, protection of travellers, or merely promoting art and happiness in communities.

[cosmic ray]

I was going to post a reply here, but I've just deleted it.

It had way too many words to be wasted on a server that has never been able to become anything better than light-roleplay/action.

[Steve]

I was going to post a reply here, but I've just deleted it.

It had way too many words to be wasted on a server that has never been able to become anything better than light-roleplay/action.

Well, what is the alternative? Can you not find/create a group of Players that wish to enjoy the same Level of RP that you wish to play? And isn't that something outside of the specific Surface/Underdark relations of this thread?

[Zanniej]

I'm on the verge of locking this thread. Please stay objective, civil and on topic.

[cosmic ray]

I can't answer your question, Steve, or else the mod will lock the thread.

[Steve]

I can't answer your question, Steve, or else the mod will lock the thread.

I'll take a PM!

I guess I'm trying to stay positive here, that part of the "deal" is to bring to the Server what you WANT from the Server, not the other way around. For me, at least, that is and fosters a greater sense of community. Not saying it is easy to bring nor find nor receive equally for each and everyone's desire on BGTSCC, but personally, after some investment, I do believe one can carve out the experience they're looking for.

Hi Zanniej!!!

[Zanniej]

To not only add negativity to this thread, I find what Steve says very true. (Don't let this go to your head )
As a EU player, I do not always find RP. But with some effort, and grouping up, I can find very enjoyable RP. I think I can do so, regardless of where I chose to play in this way.

Should we come up with a UD group in the same way, I imagine my time will be as enjoyable as it is now! Unfortunately, the entire server is limited by resources, builder availability, DM availability and many other things. As such, it's hard to cater to everybody's needs. However, I think it does offer a platform to give everybody something to enjoy!

[Agog_Fr]

Yes !

The solution to all these underdark problems are : more good DMs.

[Mallore]

Content side,

Why can’t we start letting the “other side” use the other dungeons?

[Deathgrowl]

The heck are the two of you on about?
I don't think anyone's arguing that drow should be accepted into settlements.
These kinds of threads have always kinda gotten derailed into back and forth arguing

And I made no claim that anyone did. I just warned that forgotten realms wiki is an unreliable source and that virtually everyone (and thus myself included) tend to read lore with some amount of confirmation bias.

I'm simply pointng out to two basic concepts of FR lore: Vhaeraunites and Eilistraeens, both of whom seek surface activity, but Deathgrowl seems to have cherry picked some sentence in those articles in order to ignore the general point.

It isn't failure to understand something that makes BGtSCC what it is, but unwillingness to admit something.

Nothing new under the Sun.

I'm sorry if it came off like that. That was not my intent. As I have said a few times already in this thread, I am sympathetic to some of the concerns of those drawn to Eilistraeen role play, as I have enjoyed it in some fashion myself. All I said was that Forgotten Realms wiki is unreliable. There is thus very much to find hard to understand about the two articles you linked. I didn't need to cherry pick anything.

I can keep repeating myself that I am sympathetic to the general cause, but will be a bit redundant if whenever I point out that there is a larger - and very important - context involved, I am met with bad faith.

[None]

I have always enjoyed RP with surfacers and UDers. Moving from one side to the other.

[Balthomer]

Content side,

Why can’t we start letting the “other side” use the other dungeons?

This can help a lot with rp and adventure