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Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:45 pm
by pattu
My wizard is getting close to being able to take his first Epic Spell. And it is also the first time I have ever taken an Epic Spell feat. I have narrowed it down to two that I want to take. Vampiric Feast and Epic Gate. I understand the mechanics and strength of Vampiric Feast, but Epic Gate is a mystery to me. Is it a spell worth taking? How strong is the Balor?

If anyone has a screen shot of the Balor I would greatly appreciate it :D . I just don't want to take the spell and then be underwhelmed. I read that Augment Summon does not affect the Balor either, so I am a bit worried and nervous.

Thank you for any insight and help

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:55 pm
by Knightmare
To be honest, don't bother with epic gate. Regular gate is just as good, if not better.

A beefed up version of epic gate has not been sanctioned yet.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:59 pm
by Charraj
From an OOC mechanical perspective, Vampiric Feast is great. Almost an "I win" button. I would take the Feast.

Bear in mind, ICly, it's gonna bring down a whole host of other problems, if there are witnesses who see you using it. Use with caution!

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:18 pm
by Hoihe
Do DMs agree with Epic Gate be used like a normal Gate spell, but more effective? Particularly interesting in planar travel involving events..

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:38 pm
by Simian
Hoihe wrote:Do DMs agree with Epic Gate be used like a normal Gate spell, but more effective? Particularly interesting in planar travel involving events..
If they are, it is probably just either going to disregard certain things that would hinder regular gate, or that you can maintain it open for longer periods of time, or that you need not concentrate to maintain it open.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:22 pm
by pattu
Charraj wrote:Bear in mind, ICly, it's gonna bring down a whole host of other problems, if there are witnesses who see you using it. Use with caution!
If my wizard is in the UD he should be safe using Vampiric Feast I think? Level 10 Pale Master as well. Vampire anyone? :)

I would be too afraid to use the Feast on the surface in fear of being hunted.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:50 pm
by Charraj
pattu wrote:
Charraj wrote:Bear in mind, ICly, it's gonna bring down a whole host of other problems, if there are witnesses who see you using it. Use with caution!
If my wizard is in the UD he should be safe using Vampiric Feast I think? Level 10 Pale Master as well. Vampire anyone? :)

I would be too afraid to use the Feast on the surface in fear of being hunted.
Oh, your PC is UD? Yeah you're fine. I would definitely take Vampiric Feast, then.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:25 pm
by Aron Times
Can someone confirm if you can summon anything other than fiends with Gate and Epic Gate? Judging by this thread, it seems that you can only summon fiends, but in another thread, someone told me that you can summon stuff based on your alignment, e.g. angels for good-aligned folk like my main character.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:43 pm
by Valefort
It depends on alignement, balor, xorn, angel.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:19 am
by Charraj
Gate: Horned Devil, Xorn, Angel
Epic Gate: Balor, ?????, Angel

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:07 am
by Knightmare
Last I checked, epic gate only summons balor.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:12 am
by Valefort
I checked for Epic Gate, neutral summons Balors, good summons Angel.

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:16 am
by Knightmare
So epic gate has been changed then?

Well, don't just sit there, give us some numbers/screenshots, man :)

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:36 am
by dzidek1983
Knightmare wrote:So epic gate has been changed then?

Well, don't just sit there, give us some numbers/screenshots, man :)

Location: One step ahead!


haha better change that for one step behind :D

Re: Epic Gate: Worth Taking?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:42 am
by Valefort
Knightmare wrote:So epic gate has been changed then?

Well, don't just sit there, give us some numbers/screenshots, man :)
Gah I just deleted the test character .. hopefully someone else with the actual feat will chime in. I'll post it later if no one sends a screenshot.