No Save Arcane Spells

[Eclypticon]

Arcane No Save Spell List:

0 Level

Acid Splash
Ray of Frost

1st Level

Magic Missle
All Orb spells
Grease (partial)
Exterminate
Ray of Enfeeblement
Reduce Person

2nd Level

Balagarn's Iron Horn
Melf’s Acid Arrow
Web (partial)
Scorching Ray
Ice Darts
Curse of Impending Blades
Death Armor
Touch of Idiocy

3rd Level

Power Word Maladroit
Power Word Weaken
Vampiric Touch
Mass Curse of Impending Blades

4th Level

All Orb Spells
Dimension Anchor
Elemental Shield
Ice Storm
Isaac's Lesser Missile Storm
Shadow Conjuration (Magic Missie)
Enervation


5th Level

Bigby's Interposing Hand
Cloudkill (partial)
Reduce Person, Greater

6th Level

Bigby's Forceful Hand
Isaac's Greater Missile Storm


7th Level

Bigby's Grasping Hand
Shadow Conjuration, Greater (Melf’s Acid Arrow and Web partial)
Avasculate (partial)

8th Level

Greater Shout (partial)
Dimensional Lock
Power Word Petrify
Power Word Stun
Bigby's Clenched Fist
Polar Ray


9th Level

Power Word Kill
Energy Drain

Notes: Some spells have special conditions like hit dice. Some immunities can nullify effects like Death Ward, Mindblank, and Freedom of Movement. Some spells can make other spells work better as I win buttons.

[SK2]

May I clarify, did you write here only spells which don't have DC saves, or just have no any saves?

[Eclypticon]

These are spells that I figure can be used in combat that have no DC saves. There are other spells that have no saves like buffs. I included reduce person spells because sometimes you may want to use it to lower your enemy's STR bonus. The point here is that they have some desired effect that you can use to your advantage. Non DC focused casters can be viable.

[Diamore]

Shout, Greater Shout and Finger of Death all have saves against their primary effects. A successful save halves damage from the first two and avoids instant death for the third.

Shout and Greater Shout are simply a Fortitude save instead of a reflex save and do not allow the luxury of evasion or improved evasion.

[Eclypticon]

Shout, Greater Shout and Finger of Death all have saves against their primary effects. A successful save halves damage from the first two and avoids instant death for the third.

Shout and Greater Shout are simply a Fortitude save instead of a reflex save and do not allow the luxury of evasion or improved evasion.

I am going to pull these from the list then since they are more effective on a DC based caster build.

[dzidek1983]

shout is great cos there is no save for deafness just for dmg... perfect vs wizards

[Eclypticon]

Shout is great cos there is no save for deafness just for dmg... perfect vs wizards.

Shout itself does not cause deafness. I added Greater Shout back in after testing; it does cause deafness with no save. This works well against warlocks. I tested it on a Blackguard Lock.

*edited*

[Eden]

The only good here are the orbs, the isaacs and the bigbys.
That's a lot already.

[Rainbow Prism]

Are you sure about Energy Drain? I believe it was changed for some reason to have Difficulty Class.

[Deathgrowl]

Are you sure about Energy Drain? I believe it was changed for some reason to have Difficulty Class.

It should have, as per description. But it doesn't.

[dzidek1983]

The only good here are the orbs, the isaacs and the bigbys.
That's a lot already.

seriously? well it depends on the situation but...

polar ray is one the best dmg spells
avasculate is THE spell to have
cloudkill is a great spell now
enervation drops levels without a save, thats great
ice storm has no caster level cap on its dmg so does als the elemental shield
vampiric touch is a 90 HP heal spell that damages enemies
ice darts are the best lvl 2 dmg spell
and in the end grease that works on low STR mobs even in epics
and ray of enfeeblement, c'mon...

[Karond]

add touch of idiocy

[Eclypticon]

add touch of idiocy

I must have been touched because I don't know how I missed that. Adding.

[c2k]

The only good here are the orbs, the isaacs and the bigbys.
That's a lot already.

seriously? well it depends on the situation but...

polar ray is one the best dmg spells
avasculate is THE spell to have
cloudkill is a great spell now
enervation drops levels without a save, thats great
ice storm has no caster level cap on its dmg so does als the elemental shield
vampiric touch is a 90 HP heal spell that damages enemies
ice darts are the best lvl 2 dmg spell
and in the end grease that works on low STR mobs even in epics
and ray of enfeeblement, c'mon...

Totally agree on Ray of Enfeeblement and Avasculate.

[Rainbow Prism]

Are you sure about Energy Drain? I believe it was changed for some reason to have Difficulty Class.

It should have, as per description. But it doesn't.

Then, if there is no save, it's okay. I was really mad about the text, since the true PnP spell does allow save.

Level 9 Necromancy. Oh, yeah.