Maximum Spell DC

[Shadowcryer]

I wanted to build a wizard, and heared, that my 45 DC on Evocation spells is not so cool, as i tohught.
So, i decided to create a Wizard, which will specialize in Necromancy spells. Which is maximum DC i can get on Necromancy? Can i see something with it in nwn2db builder?
I've heared even about 52 dices.

So, i ask someone to construct/show me maximum posssible spell DC necromancer build Any classes (even such as RWT or SA are allowed).

[Nachti]

SA = +3 CL +2 DC
AM = +3 CL
RW = +5 CL +1 DC
BM + PS Feat = +6 CL

You cant be RW and SA so....

1. W/SA/AM/BM = CL 42 +2 DC => +9 DC for illusion, necro and enchantment
Requirements: True Believer(Shar), Toughness, Spellfocus(1), Spellfocus(2), Spellfocus(Spellcraft), Metamagic feat = 6 feats

2. W/AM/RW/BM = CL44 +1 DC => +9 DC for one school
Requirements: Spellfocus(1), Spellfocus(2), Spellfocus(Spellcraft), Toughness = 4 feats


Wiz 5 / BM 5 / AM 10 / SA 10

1 Wiz - Feat: Spell Prodigy
2 Wiz
3 Wiz - Feat: Toughness
4 Wiz
5 Wiz(5) - Feat: Spell Focus (1)
6 BM - Feat: True Believer
7 BM
8 BM
9 BM(4) - Feat: Extend Spell
10 SA
11 SA
12 SA - Feat: Spell Focus (2)
13 SA
14 SA
15 SA(6) - Feat: Skill: Spellcraft
16 AM
17 AM - Feat: Spellpower 1
18 AM - Feat: Practiced Caster
19 BM(5)
20 AM - Feat: Spellpower 2
21 AM - Feat: Greater Spellfocus (Necro)
22 AM - Feat: Spellpower 3
23 AM - Feat: Epic Spellfocus (Necro)
24 AM - Feat: Int 1 (as AM Feat)
25 AM - Feat: Int 2
26 AM - Feat: Int 3(as AM Feat)
27 SA - Feat: Int 4
28 SA
29 SA - Feat: Int 5
30 SA(10)

Int = 20 + 7 (every 4 level attribute) + 5 (Epic) + 4(Int Enchant) = 36 = +13 DC

DC = 10 + Spelllevel + 9 (CL42 +2 DC) + 3 (Spellfocus) + 1 (Spell Prodigy) + 13 (StartRace: Drow, 20 Int)

DC = 45 for Banshee Wail!

[Shadowcryer]

SA = +3 CL +2 DC
AM = +3 CL
RW = +5 CL +1 DC
BM + PS Feat = +6 CL

You cant be RW and SA so....

W/SA/AM/BM = CL 42 +2 DC => +9 DC for illusion, necro and enchantment

W/AM/RW/BM = CL44 +1 DC => +9 DC for one school

Sad there is no something like nwn2db builder, but with BGTSCC changes :/

[Nachti]

I edited again. Should now be enough for your needs.

I cant image a highter DC build then this two I mentioned.

[Shadowcryer]

I edited again. Should now be enough for your needs.

I cant image a highter DC build then this two I mentioned.

Are you sure, that Drow race fits this build best of all? I like their stat bonuses and SR, but that CON penalty...

What about Tiefling race? They also get sweet INT and DEX bonuses, but without losing CON, while you can get SR from spells.

And should I chose Spell School: Necromancy as a wizard at 1st level?

[Nachti]

yes spellschool necro is the best

any +2 int race can be played.

[Shadowcryer]

WARNING/NOTE: This class can only cross class with the following: Arcane Scholar, Frost Mage, Pale Master, Red Wizard, Harper agent, Blood Magus, Sorcerer, or Wizard

Can't see Shadow Adept here, by the way. It seems, like AM cannot cross-class with SA.

[mrm3ntalist]

I dont think AM can choose Great ints, as the PRC's bonus feats. if he can, that is a bug

[Aelcar]

I dont think AM can choose Great ints, as the PRC's bonus feats. if he can, that is a bug

Very true. AM cannot pick Great INT feats in place of High Arcana.

SA can be selected if you are an AM, but you have to be Sharran, AND DM approved, so forget building exclusively for power.

RW is another DM approved class, also taken very seriously by DM Vukodlak: if you propose a BM/RW or a RW/SA, my guess is you'll probably get kicked in the ass.

A DC of 39-42 is excellent in any school. The claim Evocation is "bad" is incorrect, it's an excellent way to specialize, easily as good as Necromancy (overall slightly inferior, but it works wonders against Undead, Outsiders, Elementals and Constructs, which are the TOTALITY of your enemies in DM events. Necromancy fails wickedly against these groups.). RW/AM is easily up there, and SA builds comfortably get to DC 44 for 9th circle spells.

[Deathgrowl]

Undead, Outsiders, Elementals and Constructs, which are the TOTALITY of your enemies in DM events. Necromancy fails wickedly against these groups.

And here I was floating around with my druid throwing Slay Living and Finger of Death at Elementals and Outsiders alike with decent success!

I don't see the problem?

[Shadowcryer]

So, 44 is maximum dice for necromancy on this server?

[Aelcar]

Undead, Outsiders, Elementals and Constructs, which are the TOTALITY of your enemies in DM events. Necromancy fails wickedly against these groups.

And here I was floating around with my druid throwing Slay Living and Finger of Death at Elementals and Outsiders alike with decent success!

I don't see the problem?

Almost all the serious ones are immune to death and level/ability drain. I dont include those I can kill with STR 8, low BAB and a dagger . Evocation blows them up fairly convincingly, most of all employing spells of the opposite element.

DC 44 is NOT the maximum you can get for Necromancy. But it's very high on an ARCANIST. Druids go higher with ease, because of Owl's Insight.

[Shadowcryer]

DC 44 is NOT the maximum you can get for Necromancy. But it's very high on an ARCANIST. Druids go higher with ease, because of Owl's Insight.

I meant 44 DC on arcane caster.

[Shadowcryer]

So, 44DC for Necromancy is max one on arcane caster?

[mireigi]

Ask a DM for the Blood Magic feat on your arcanist. +4 CL and DC.