Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

I see a lot of people going around with hoods saying their face is unidentifiable even in close proximity. . For example someone who is 7 feet tall is never going to be able to hide their face from an elf who is 4'11" even from 10 feet away unless they are actively turning their head, not facing them. I'd like it specifically in the rules personally that wearing a hood is definitely not enough to hide identity in close proximity, even though this is common sense....it would quickly quash any arguments.

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How to Remain Constantly Anonymous:
1. Always wear a different disguise in encounters with the same other PC—new hair, new outfit style, new helmet/mask, etc.
2. In-character-ly, speak a different manner, act differently, attempt to embody a different persona.
3. Do not inhabit, travel or occupy similar places, conversations, circumstances...creating a pattern of activity is the path to recognition, and thus the eventual penetration of the PC's disguise

It should be necessary for a player to have a description describing exactly how they are disguised or else their disguise be considered invalid. Simply stating "I'm in disguise, no one can recognize me" is lazy and unfortunately some have taken liberties in the past. This will encourage RP as well as a person can picture exactly what the player looks like, and how it's different then usual. A person can wear 10 different shirts and masks but still be exactly the same height, build, walk the same.

It would help immensely RP wise to force those who wear disguises to post the approximate DC's of the individual based on bluff or perform, whatever is highest. Note the check is to recognize a person doesn't seem right, and could well be trying to disguise themselves not see through the disguise.


As an aside: It's wise to take screenies of your description showing exactly where my characters put on the disguise. I've done this since the beginning.

You have to know someone well to recognize their gait.

Also, someone with good hide skills could easily keep their face hidden, without a hood, much less a hood.

For example, a criminal with a warrant knows how not to be recognized by a cop. It,s not that hard.

Id say spot check vs hide.

NeOmega wrote:You have to know someone well to recognize their gait.

Also, someone with good hide skills could easily keep their face hidden, without a hood, much less a hood.

For example, a criminal with a warrant knows how not to be recognized by a cop. It,s not that hard.

Id say spot check vs hide.

Yes, the criminals wear hoods, avoid close proximity from cops in order so they can't see their faces. Not talk to one face to face .....

Ricastle wrote:

NeOmega wrote:You have to know someone well to recognize their gait.

Also, someone with good hide skills could easily keep their face hidden, without a hood, much less a hood.

For example, a criminal with a warrant knows how not to be recognized by a cop. It,s not that hard.

Id say spot check vs hide.

Yes, the criminals wear hoods, avoid close proximity from cops in order so they can't see their faces. Not talk to one face to face .....

Ok, i see. My experience was i had a sneaker whose description said, "his face is always hidden and looking away", and someone came up and said via tell, "((just saw your face, hee hee" so, i didnt even reply, because ot was not worth arguing over.

However, yeah, i agree, if someone is trying to talk face to face, but claim they are disguised, that is lame. However, I think disguise should be bluff or perform vs sense motive or spot.

So, the romans had no written law, because you cannot use the letter of the law to skirt the spirit of the law if their is no written letter of the law.

Id just like to take a moment to point out that if you are masked to the point no one can see you eyes or skin. Than you can't see either. A veil maybe. But they have some transparency.

Players cannot enforce any rolls with each other, this can only be done by a DM. Players can however agree on DCs on rolls between themselves, keywords being all parties in agreement. Unless Rasael's disguise system is added, there will be no skill checks on disguises unless a DM is present to oversee it.


Full face masks are the only disguises that offer a full disguise effect. Open hoods can hide the face a little but someone standing in close proximity can identity the face. Wigs and makeup are not adequate disguises unless in a DM event with DM approval.

DM Eminence wrote:Players cannot enforce any rolls with each other, this can only be done by a DM. Players can however agree on DCs on rolls between themselves, keywords being all parties in agreement. Unless Rasael's disguise system is added, there will be no skill checks on disguises unless a DM is present to oversee it.


Full face masks are the only disguises that offer a full disguise effect. Open hoods can hide the face a little but someone standing in close proximity can identity the face. Wigs and makeup are not adequate disguises unless in a DM event with DM approval.

Full face mask offer no anonymity, it is clear the indiviual is hiding their face and very likely their identity. Also those without ranks in perform or bluff trying to maintain a effective disguise are godmodding their characters, which is against the rules. Wigs with change of clothes were ok'd by the previous staff and those before them to the letter as far as I am aware. DM Novus said "this is in your background, so it is acceptable for your character to wear wigs, changing look to be unidentifiable" This is the first time any staff member has said otherwise to me in the past 14 months I've been here. When I went to a hanging in darkhold with a dark black wig and fake clothes writing a full description . Tells were sent back and forth between Maecius and I told him I was in disguse, black wig, black armor. He was agreeable with that saying something to the effective "cool , carry on!" All other DMs were cool with this as well when I'd mentioned Elaria was in disguise along with their PC as as well for the past 14 months.

My point in all of this is to take as many gamesmanship angles out of disguise rules as possible while it still being effective to engage in such rp. Everyone wants to get there way and typically nobody wants to ever be discovered.

I remember when I first started playing I outed a drow with the logic

"They have the same exact body shape as an elf but are shorter. They have glaring red eyes. The part of their face the mask does not cover has black skin. The only part that doesn't make sense is they speak fluent common."

A DM contacted me a bit later and explained that you can not use their body shape, eye color, skin color, or anything else to identify them. Essentially since rolls are not enforced the only way to discover someone while they wear a mask is if they willingly remove their mask or if they mistakenly enter the FAI .

There is one other way but it tends to piss people off. If they die then my characters often *remove any masks or headwear* by sending them a tell and asking if they will. If they agree I screenshot their response in case they call me a liar (it has happened before). Granted about 50% of the time they say no or do not respond. This leads to a bit of a conundrum. There is no IC reason I can come up with for their hood and mask being stuck so I have to oocly leave them or oocly rez them. Both actions feel very immersion breaking but oh well.

DM Eminence wrote:Players cannot enforce any rolls with each other, this can only be done by a DM. Players can however agree on DCs on rolls between themselves, keywords being all parties in agreement. Unless Rasael's disguise system is added, there will be no skill checks on disguises unless a DM is present to oversee it.


Full face masks are the only disguises that offer a full disguise effect. Open hoods can hide the face a little but someone standing in close proximity can identity the face. Wigs and makeup are not adequate disguises unless in a DM event with DM approval.

I would suggest that a wig and 'stage' makeup (not just make up but stage make up) should be adequate as well. . considering what stage make up can really do >>>


Hundreds of such examples on the net.. it's created for just that reason, to make one person look like an entirely nother person, for stage and movies. You would not recognize this girl in makeup.

Someone in stage makeup and a wig is far less conspicuous than someone in a full mask.

well Luke Skywalker was a criminal wear a hood but not a ninja hood obi wan kenobi use hood allways time and was becouse it rian or was becouse the sun was to hot for the head skin we will not get that question answer but rememeber evening the wizard and the monks use hood
and ps a knight/warrior use to have he's hood beneth the helm you use