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Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:14 pm
by ctothep
Hello,

i have a dagger with Bonus feat: +1d6 sneak attack. It doesnt seem to stack with sneak attacks from my rogue lvls, is that intended? Or a bug?

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:30 pm
by mireigi
It should stack, but it won't show up in your character sheet. It can be difficult to tell if it's there or not. Best way is to note down the average of 50 or so attacks without it, then do the same for another 50 and see if there is any improvement.

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:49 pm
by ctothep
Ah ok thanks a lot mireigi :)

i have only tested for a few minutes damage didnt seem to be higher but i guess i had some bad luck with dmg numbers :P

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:42 pm
by Karond
I think it won't stack. And I don't think it should either? It's the same ability, so the game picks the highest. It would be different if it was an improved sneak attack feat, but it's not.

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:29 pm
by thids
I don't think it stacks with feats that are called "Sneak Attack", it stacks with sneak attacks that have a different name (Death Attack, Arcane Trickster sneak attack etc.)

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:46 pm
by ctothep
Can anyone confirm 100% if it does stack or does not?

I will do some testing tomorrow myself if it does stack with the rogue's sneak attacks. The testing i did so far was very short, maybe i just had low damage numbers there. Didn't feel like it adds 1d6 damage though.

@Karond:

Arent there feats you can take on lvl up that add more sneak attack damage? I dont know if those are just regular sneak attacks or improved / deadly or whatever. I thought the dagger would add one of that tho so i guessed it would stack.

Also the stat on the item says:

Bonus Feat: Sneak attack (+1d6)

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:03 pm
by mrm3ntalist
it doesnt stack with Sneak Attack Dice such as from rogue. It does stack, as Thids said, with other sources of SA ( Death Attack, Xneak attack fromThieves guild etc )

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:48 am
by Blackman D
the pins dagger does not stack

it only gives 1d6 SA and yes it shows up on the character sheet

if you already have the feat then you gain nothing, you have to use it on someone who does not have the feat

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:40 am
by Karond
ctothep wrote:
@Karond:

Arent there feats you can take on lvl up that add more sneak attack damage? I dont know if those are just regular sneak attacks or improved / deadly or whatever. I thought the dagger would add one of that tho so i guessed it would stack.

Also the stat on the item says:

Bonus Feat: Sneak attack (+1d6)
Yes, but those feats are epic and they're called "improved sneak attack +XD6". Those feats stack with everything, but the basic sneak attack feat is constantly replaced when you level up. It won't stack because it's the same ability (it picks the highest). As Thids mentions, it will stack with death attack because it's not the same ability as sneak attack.

I understand the confusion, but the feat sneak attack also says "Sneak attack +XD6". It's the same, even if it can be misleading at first. It's like having Epic Will and then getting an item with Iron Will. The game picks the highest of the two because they're the same feat essentially.

Re: Bonus feat: 1d6 Sneak Attack

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:23 am
by ctothep
Thanks for clearing this up