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CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:58 am
by Zanniej
Does it work, and with which does it, and with which doesn't it?
I read somewhere that wizards/sorcerers need to keep on casting to keep it active. Is that true?
And what about warlocks? I read there was a "bug" (not sure if it's a bug) which caused warlocks to use it without getting an AB penalty.
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:04 am
by mrm3ntalist
It works on casters, giving them +3/+6 AC. The debate was about whether CE/ICE should lower the touch attacks, which currently it doesnt, therefore casters can use it without any disadvantage.
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:11 am
by Zanniej
Thanks for your quick reply!
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:58 pm
by Monnock777
But if you cast using ce or ice you will get an attack or opportunity on you so beware
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:03 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Monnock777 wrote:But if you cast using ce or ice you will get an attack or opportunity on you so beware
CE/ICE are used for powerbuilding. If you powerbuild, AoOs are nothing to worry about.
Having 46-50AC ( more from armored casters ), mirrors, 50% concealment and 30DR then AoOs are nothing to worry about unless you have fallen asleep.
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:07 pm
by Monnock777
An attack of opportunity (AoO) is a single (per round) free attack that is automatically taken when an enemy makes themselves vulnerable, such as moving in combat or casting a spell. This can only be made when the attacker is unarmed or wielding a melee weapon. Making an attack of opportunity will cancel other actions, such as casting a spell.
Well at this point you just give someone a free attack. Now this might be fine PVM but for PVP. Mages normally have low HP so that AoO might just be your death depending who you are fighting. Not sayin that it doesn't have its use on a mage but it does how ever have drawbacks as well. That is all I am saying.
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:37 pm
by Zanniej
Monnock777 wrote:But if you cast using ce or ice you will get an attack or opportunity on you so beware
I thought that happened when casting a spell anyway . . . Doesn't it?
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:47 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Zanniej wrote:Monnock777 wrote:But if you cast using ce or ice you will get an attack or opportunity on you so beware
I thought that happened when casting a spell anyway . . . Doesn't it?
Activating defensive casting instead of CE/ICE, does not provoke AoOs
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:47 pm
by Monnock777
You can use a concentration check it one of the abilities, but cannot be used at the same time as ce/ice or power attack and such abilities.
Re: CE / ICE with casters
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:28 am
by Zanniej
Right, in that way. I didn't think of defensive casting mode.
Thanks once again for all your help!
