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Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:56 am
by Vhaeraun Baen're
http://nwn2db.com/build/?225647

So I worked on this build tonight. Doesn't seem to be anything like it on nwn2db via my Searches. Was wondering if anyone could improve on it?

Valefort, am I doing this right?

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:43 am
by Vhaeraun Baen're
So I didn't realize Dervish gets Spring Attack. That means you can easily go Tiefling and get the same exact feats but you won't hit 14 SB until level 17 then. It's probably best to wait until 17 anyway or else its just a wasted feat.

Power critical maybe for the human build?

I also made a 14SB/7WM/9A build (http://nwn2db.com/build/?225666) that has all the assassin goodies but you lose tons of AB

Unfortunately a 15SB/3SD/5Tempest/7WM build is not possible here because of the 3 levels by lv 20 rule.

15SB/5Tempest/7WM/3Cleric is possible however and if you take Air and Water domains you get Evasion and Uncanny dodge which lets you then take Expose Weakness

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:06 am
by thids
Seems kinda shame not to go for sb19 when you're already up to 14/15 :)

sb20/sd3/wm7 maybe?

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:26 am
by Deathgrowl
Wounding critical is cool, just too bad it's kind of hard to build for it.

If you're willing to drop weaponmaster, you could do something fairly decent with swashbuckler20/fighter10, going mostly for int, using one rapier or kukriand putting on a shield.

But with wounding and weakening critical, you would probably be better off with weaponmaster, so what are the alternatives. Well, I made a few ideas some time ago. One is a swash20/shadowdancer3/weaponmaster7. This can be built with either ptwf (and pretty low damage...) or using one rapier and having mostly int for damage. HiPS and expose weakness helps you deliver the attack even if you have somewhat low AB.

Another idea is dropping the usual swashbuckler way and go strength. You're only interested in wounding and weakening critical, so you might as well go something like swash19/fighter4/weaponmaster7 and fill up with strength. Don't bother with int and dex - might as well just stop at 13/14 on both and use a mithral full plate (or normal breast plate).

Another alternative is similar, but going for EDM:
http://nwn2db.com/build/?124531

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:19 pm
by chad878262
You can do it, but it may not be exactly what you want... In any case, I put this together for you in case it helps your build/character concept. Made it human and only gave it skills required for classes so it is not a complete build, just shows you can fit SB/Temp/WM/SD in a build even with the 3b20 rule. Hope it helps...

http://nwn2db.com/build/?225697

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:12 am
by Valefort
Couple of issues in your first build : low damage, low AC, low AB when not dancing. The server doesn't have defensive parry for dervish and dervish 9 only gives +2 AC (see there http://bgtscc.wikia.com/wiki/Dervish#Class_Abilities ) so you end up with barely playable AB/AC/Damage (it is playable though..).

However for having played a build that had weakening critical, and without WM, I can tell you that you don't need to dual wield to make the feat useful, even with a single weapon it's really effective.

Bearing that in mind you have the option that Deathgrowl indicated fighter 4 / SB 19 / WM 7 and you can either go STR like he did or DEX/INT like that : http://nwn2db.com/build/?225745

You can adjust DEX/INT to your liking regarding AB/Damage

Now if you want to dual wield that is a bit more complicated and I feel there is no evading fighter 12 builds in order to get some damage, so something like SB 14 / fighter 12 / WD 4 : http://nwn2db.com/build/?225747

If you want to dual wield and be a weaponmaster and have weakening crit with okay damage that calls for HiPS and getting as much INT as you can so something like thids indicated : SB 20 / SD 3/ WM 7 but that is completely feat starved : http://nwn2db.com/build/?225749

You can also go SB 15/ sd3 /WM7 /dervish 5, not getting wounding critical but more AC : http://nwn2db.com/build/?225750

Re: Weakening Critical Build

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:57 am
by Vhaeraun Baen're
Valefort wrote: The server doesn't have defensive parry for dervish and dervish 9 only gives +2 AC
Honestly, that right there completely kills the build for me


Thanks for your input, I knew it would be valuable :)