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Why isn't QC transparent?

I keep seeing references to hidden topics and discussions that are simply out of reach to me. Individuals continue to make allusions to these conversations in several topics. I, having no access to these topics, am simply at a loss in these conversations. Further, the attitude that those not privy to these conversations are somehow inferior to those that are is very unbecoming.

Quality contol should not, in my opinion, be a private club.

I do not think individuals who are part of these discussions should be able to hide behind a private wall on the forums.

The individuals who represent the qc team are the best, most knowledgeable, and qualified to take part in these conversations. I feel it is a shame that these opinions and reasonings are not available for everyone to see. Even if it's made public simply so those knowledgeable individuals don't have to keep rehashing the same arguments, apparently, over and over.

The quality control forum should be public and read only to every registered user but remain closed for contribution by anyone not selected for that forum.

I voted yes

Lack of transparency is one of the most persistent issues this server has, and has had, for a long long time. Transparency deters issues that everyone seems to take issue with, like claims of favoritism, false accusations against players, etc.

I voted no, I think there is enough nit picking on every minor detail as it is and this would just open the flood gates for personal issues with proposed or work in progress changes etc.

Ithilan wrote:I voted no, I think there is enough nit picking on every minor detail as it is and this would just open the flood gates for personal issues with proposed or work in progress changes etc.

this is basically it for most private forums, some people have trouble composing themselves on public forums for extended periods of time with some topics, if everyone was allowed to comment on every little thing nothing would get done and half the threads would be locked

be happy QC comments on public forums with opinions and such and leave it at that

and that being said not everything even makes it to QC to be talked about if its shot down horribly on public forums

Can't they be made readable, but not post able without being a member of QC? The suggestion is readable after all Noone said anything about random people positing in the QC forums.

Lag wrote: The quality control forum should be public and read only to every registered user but remain closed for contribution by anyone not selected for that forum.

metaquad4 wrote:Can't they be made readable, but not post able without being a member of QC?

Exactly.

The vote says READABLE, if this is the sort of nitpicking you are worried about, I can see why! XD

QC is not just about discussions. It is about testing. Opening it to the public presents security concerns for testing modules specific to QC and even if it was read only we'd just see folks starting topics elsewhere about a QC discussion. There isn't anything super exciting in there and for every topic that gets opened the devs would have a dozen players asking "why isn't it implemented yet" or "when is it going in game already". A lot of work is done from the devs and a lot of testing is done for QC, I spent more time in the testing module than in game since joining QC because I want to help and felt it's a way I can contribute, but I don't feel my findings need to be roasted by the entire community when I say maybe something needs tweaked/isn't ready. Sorry if that frustrates folks, but that's my opinion.

So, some people would want to make posts about stuff and talk and blah blah blah. Tht is a bold and very negative assumtion. I assume the opposite because I have faith in our players. I think people would read the post to have thier questions answered, not use them as an excuse to harass the team.

Have a bit more faith in your fellows and don't be so cynical.

Also, QC members have a pretty clear conflict of interest here, and should probably refrain from voting.

what difference would it make if it was read only? nothing stops people from reading it and then making topics where they can post

and again of all the things that get requested not all of it goes to QC anyway, rather it was because it was shot down or there was simply no reason to open a topic on QC forums about something that made sense

and dont worry i generally dont vote on any public poll, but thats just me

This is not something that we deem appropriate at this time.

What the QC is discussing is for the dev team and the QC themselves and not up for public opinion and voting. While you say that it would be readable only, there would be nothing to stop people from PMing the QC/DEV Team/DM Team on every little thing that the QC says, or even opening new topics on the general forums to discuss this amongst themselves.

What exactly is the QC saying that you need to know? These are the people that are taking their own time to test things for the server, such as new classes and feats. They are the ones that are taking away from their own play time to ensure that new additions to the game are properly balanced and do not break other items of the game when be utilized.

Also I would like to point out to everyone the invalidity of the voting on the forums. Most people here have multiple forum accounts which means multiple votes.
Thank you,
DM Cradh

So, how is players opening posts about QC topics bad? I would think that the QC and Dev team would appreciate the ability to, at any time, read through said posts and get a feel for the pulse of the community. Good decision making is based on more information, not less. And there is nothing to prevent people from PMing the Devs and QC team about anything they want to right now, is it an issue right now?

This pervasive assumption that it is somehow US vs. YOU is a huge detriment to what this community is SUPPOSED to be, which as I understand it, a cooperative role play enviroment. Cooperative being the operative term here....

I would think it would be helpfull for the devs to see what the players think about any thing that may or may not happen on the server gues i was wrong.

Face wrote:I would think it would be helpfull for the devs to see what the players think about any thing that may or may not happen on the server gues i was wrong.

The majority of error reporting is statistically originating from the end user.