Holy Sword and Bless Weapon wands

[thids]

I don't want to derail the other thread that's about the bugs around these spells, so I'm opening a new one.

Basically the question is: Should these two spells be wandable? I always found it weird that they are. Holy Sword wands are limited to LG characters only, but still that is not enough IMO. They are both paladin exclusive spells, and they are both very much tied to the paladin class in RP terms. Isn't it kind of ridiculous to have non-paladins just point the tips of their wands at their weapons and have a glowing +gazillion d6 damage against evil/undead? I would say it most definitely is.

If we look at it from a mechanical perspective in isolation from the paladin class, both of those spells are way beyond overpowered for the power level of this server. Especially Holy Sword. Yet they work well enough with the paladin class. I personally see no reason to allow both of these spells to be available on wands, outside of "we don't want to upset people who like overpowered spells but don't want to commit to playing a paladin".

[Aelcar]

Balance and RP-wise, it is ridiculous, yes . Especially Holy Sword, indeed.

[mrm3ntalist]

Should these two spells be wandable?

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[Blackman D]

not that im against the idea as its fairly reasonable

however the only issue would be that it would require 2DA tweaking, tho just deleting in this case which is likely less of a headache than adding

but of course it wouldnt get rid of any existing wands, they would slowly be phased out from recharge destruction tho

if no one from QC has any strong reasons why not then it can probably get done

[Eclypticon]

You can make the wands with a scroll. The wands are pretty strong. Are we going to have to custom script this stuff against UMD? This sounds like a lot of trouble though.

We might as well put it to a vote.

[thids]

From what I understand and from what BMD said the wands wouldn't be craftable at all anymore, regardless if you have access to the spell or not? UMD is the reason I went with the suggestion of wands of those spells not being craftable, as bypassing UMD would probably require plenty of work. I mean the wands are already limited to paladins, it's just that 11 UMD lets you pretend to be one.

[mrieder79]

I think it would be reasonable to get rid of the wands. As stated above, a simple 2da edit should be sufficient. They would become like heroism, non-wandable.

[Blackman D]

right, the 2DA entry is required for it to work, delete it and it simply wouldnt work

you could still try it all you want but it would fail because its non existent, the same reason why custom spells cant go on wands or scrolls, no 2DA entry for them

[Lockonnow]

then gos the druid spell to the flamin weapon and remember they add to potion to and soo we will have the wizard make frost weapon spell to and more so why just let go

[Lockonnow]

and remember one thing bless weapon only deal dmg to undead it is not a big deal but flaming weapon and frost weapon hunt many other stuff

[Lockonnow]

as long we dont know about the crafting item i will say no

[Karond]

I'm with lockonnow

If we take away bless weapon, where does it end? Flame weapon should go as well then, since it's specific to a single class. And while we're there, no more mirror image, displacement, improved mage armor, amplify or enervation. All of these are specific to a single "class". One could just as well just go the mile and kill off deathwards, freedom of movement and silence too. Just get rid of UMD all together.

That said, if its possible, making holy sword only usable if you've a level in paladin, instead of being lawful good, would be great.

[Lockonnow]

well and if umd go no more item like it say only evil can use this archmage robe i know there good archmage robe but we could only focus on potion when we get we get the master alchemist prc then the wizard class will be some kinda lesser powerfull if you need to be a bew master hehe

[Aelcar]

That said, if its possible, making holy sword only usable if you've a level in paladin, instead of being lawful good, would be great.

That is what I meant, yes.

Bless Weapon is an Undead bane, and we tend to like that to be around .

Conversely, Holy Sword is a Paladin's signature.

[Lockonnow]

Holy Sword spell only live on one min on wand and it cost to make on a wand is like 50k so what is the big deal??