Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Do you consider the quests OOC?

Well...it has always been my opinion that RUNNING/DOING/FULFILLING the Quests should require a PC to be IC, however, the actual CHOICES your PC makes in the Quest dialogues should be considered OOC, because those choices are FUBAR and you often get NOTHING in XP/Coin for choosing the IC appropriate choice (this varies per definition of Alignment...but we'll not go there today...hopefully).

As per Ditto's pink text opinion my my "OOC mode" question-thread, the Staff currently considers doing Quests/Errands as OOC. So...there you have it.

Actually pink text means it is Ditto's personal opinion and not a ruling.

I consider quests as IC. Yes this means if you pick up giant poop it was IC. I have never done this quest on any of my PC's as a conscious IC choice not to degrade themselves to that level as some characters do . . . and oh yes I have seen characters RPed as nobility do it as well as paladins and everyone else.

Edit: Also I thought there was a ruling regarding not being allowed to go places we weren't allowed just to do quests.

I always considered quests to be IC. Never did the imp quest on my good toons. Of course, this isn't something that can easily or reasonable be enforced, so its pretty much just do whatever you want.

I think quests should be considered IC, including the choices made, and alignment consequences.

Ril never completed the lizardpeople egg, imp, or monkey quests...

however, i also think that the quests should be updated and reworked to make more sense both ic-wise and rp-wise

however, as much as I think the quests should be IC, until there is quest parity for characters who rp-wise shouldn't be in particular areas, that an exception to always IC should probably be allowed for certain PCs to at least get the quests (ex. Gray Orcs in Baldur's Gate).

Course if we made a way for the xp normally obtained through repeated quest running to be gained some other way the point would be moot...

chad878262 wrote:Course if we made a way for the xp normally obtained through repeated quest running to be gained some other way the point would be moot...

If the Staff does currently consider Quests to be OOC entirely—that means both the act of "running" them and the choices taken—then yes, Chad, I do think it is best to make all quests a 1 time affair, and then just give all players a weekly XP amount (like say half of what one can get from questing = 4K or something).

Considering we now have unlimited chests and with OOC questing, I might as well, on a weekly basis, just storm roll the Server with AFK up to get my goodies...and then I won't have to bother RPing with anyone!!! HA HA!!! THE ENTIRE SERVER IS MINE CAUSE IM AN INVISIBLE AFK-TAGGED TOON AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO RP BUT...NOT....IM AFK SO TOSS OFF YOU RP ELITIST.

I did imp quest on every single one of my good and neutral aligned characters, and I refuse rewards for quests if it means higher xp income on all of my evil characters. I do not care in the slightest if someone views me as a "lesser" roleplayer because of this. This is the BG system of gaining xp in epic levels, and I play along.

Thids wrote:I did imp quest on every single one of my good and neutral aligned characters, and I refuse rewards for quests if it means higher xp income on all of my evil characters. I do not care in the slightest if someone views me as a "lesser" roleplayer because of this. This is the BG system of gaining xp in epic levels, and I play along.

Thats the simple truth. If quests were IC, then most ( if not all character ) wouldnt do the majority of quests.

I do skip a lot of quests, due to the fact my PC wouldn't associate with the quest giver. Guess that is why it takes me so long to get to lvl 30 after an RcR. I didn't know this was considered OOC by the staff at large. I was always worried some bored DM might see my good-aligned character doing a not-good quest and get dinged on alignment or something.

I belive a few factors needs to be considered before answering this.

1: How old is the character doing the quests (as in, have you played it for years on end).

2: Are you alone or in a company of people?

3: Ooc personal goals with doing the quests.

- For the first point. If you like myself have characters which have been around for years. Repeating the same task over and over may seem a tad much from an IC veiwpoint, or immersion-braking even. Yes, some quests make sense that each week you'd need fresh supplies etc (mushrooms), but having to in characterly every week locate a badger or steal wvyvern eggs? that dont make sense.

- Second point... When your alone, many dont rp doing the quests. If your in company tho, talking in character tends to brake the ice over the repedative nature, and gives a better naration and mindset for the task at hand. Others will just "ooc tag" or bluntly ignore others while doing it... however some will greet you if you happen upon them while "questing".

- Third point... well, why do it? Exp and gold? If people see it only as a weekly pocket allowance, then the motivation to do RP can seem wasted. Ive often seen the quests more as a bother then an actuel fun time to invest in. This does however depend on the situation... New character = "IM GOING ON AN ADVENTURE!" - Old character: "Everything is a waste and time is just an abstract concept for me to witness the withering of my flesh prison" etc.

I belive in conclusion that it depends a lot on the above factors. Given that we are a community, most people know what "that there running person is most likely doing", so it also to a degree depends on our own response to "seeing" questiong people.

Quests should be IC.
Seeing Paladins talking to the Imp is ridiculous.

Yes, but then you'd also have to prevent criminals and grey orcs from doing any quests in bg...that's more than half the xp you can get from quests.

chad878262 wrote:Yes, but then you'd also have to prevent criminals and grey orcs from doing any quests in bg...that's more than half the xp you can get from quests.

I've played a Grey Orc before and I would refrain from taking quests in BG, or even going in BG. I would only enter Roaring Shore, or Soubar and other less lawful towns. Less XP vs. less RP, I go with less XP.

That is not saying I don't grind my ass off, like everyone else trying to hit lvl 30 on my toons. I like XP as much as the next guy.

Bad Omens wrote:

chad878262 wrote:Yes, but then you'd also have to prevent criminals and grey orcs from doing any quests in bg...that's more than half the xp you can get from quests.

I've played a Grey Orc before and I would refrain from taking quests in BG, or even going in BG. I would only enter Roaring Shore, or Soubar and other less lawful towns. Less XP vs. less RP, I go with less XP.

That is not saying I don't grind my ass off, like everyone else trying to hit lvl 30 on my toons. I like XP as much as the next guy.

Good on you, but many others do not feel this way... Back when the Kogan's were active for a while there was a similar discussion and they felt it would have been very unfair (and I tend to agree). Levelling on BG is arduous, especially at epic levels and the quests are really the only way if you ever want to reach level 30. Nearly 10K XP / week for 3 hours of play time (I've heard it can be done faster, but alas I can't accomplish it) is a big bump, and forcing certain PC's (based on race, alignment, or affiliation such as when Zhents are barred entry) really puts the "evil" factions at a severe disadvantage. Grey Orcs, for instance could not go in to BG, Beregost, Ulgoths Beard or even Nashkel so basically they could do the imp quest (if they are at least allowed to OOC through Nashkel), and find the key for the halflings. So they could not do any quests at all until they are at least to level 8 or so, probably higher for most builds... That's fine if you want to RP at low levels (and be squashed by any non-monster race you happen to run in to since Grey Orc is kos), but some others would probably not prefer to spend a six months trying to hit level 20 and dying constantly.

I don't even play a Grey Orc, but this just seems like it would be very unfair to those players as well as any Zhentarim (when they are banned from BG or other areas) or those few brave folks that play openly evil PC's and become criminals.

I respect your opinion, but in this case I can't agree with putting such a heavy restriction on those players that chose an already more difficult path. I believe the DM's feel the same way since they allow these players to run the quests.

edit: cuz grey orc is not kos...thanks for the correction Duracele!