Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

I have no clue why Black Flame Zaelot is so nerfed... this class was not too strong but now it is unplayable IMO, why death attack is taken from him? "Sacred Flame" is too weak in my opinion it should be AT LEAST 1d4. When it comes to Warrior of Darkness... I can swallow the fact that repellent flesh is taken away from this class... I can barely swallow the fact that he lost 2 bonus feats, but why is Darkling Weapon so weak? I am not even saying that vampiric bonus is taken away from this skill but why the elemental dmg bonus is so weak? After 10 levels of warrior of darkness he increases his dmg by 1d4... in comparison to storm lord buff it is a giant sack of... Unfortunately I must say that both classes BFZ and WoD are broken and uplayable. :/ I would like to know other opinions about those two classes maybe it will help to make them playable.

WoD/AK is one of the strongest melee prc's on BGTSCC. If you can't build with the class as it is now then it's a learn-to-play issue.
I've heard BFZ is weak, but I've never used it, so I can't comment. However, overall, the pve environment is hardly challenging and the QC team are quite good at what they do, so I'd imagine that BFZ could be useful in some builds.

I don't think it is a solution... It is playable only on one maybe two builds... The class itself is just weak... too weak.

WoD/AK gets: high BAB, high will save progression, martial weapons, all shields, free blind fight and toughness (easy to then buy steadfast), anointed weapon, damage reduction, spellcraft (+6 saves vs spells), heal and tumble. It also picks up 2 more bonus feats which are often epic feats of built right! Anointed weapon at level 10 basically turns any +4 weapon into a high end epic weapon (or it turns an already epic weapon into something über). Typically builds with AK/WoD have higher will saves and more AC and damage than other fighter builds. It's a great prc.

I'll let BFZ experts comment on that prc.

I took 3 levels of AK for my main. 4 would have been great to get toughness, since I had to use a feat to take it, but I didn't want to trade off anymore from his CL.

I like the RP around his anointing his weapon, as well as the benefits of the class. for the dip my toon gets tower shield and blind fight (Two feats I would have had to spend feats on if they did not come with the class), a small bonus to damage (fire is great for dealing with trolls and whatnot. You can also use flame weapon scrolls, but then you can just take one of the other damage types for another damage per hit), decent skill points (especially since his other classes are mostly skill starved), it has access to Tumble.

You could say, "Why not take fighter for the tower shield and blind-fight?". Well, you get the benefits of the additional skill points, damage or bigger crits, and tumble.

Don't get me wrong, I would love if the class was as kaedrin created it. More feats and higher elemental damage, but, eh, I deal with it. The class has its merits.

[quote="AC81" Anointed weapon at level 10 basically turns any +4 weapon into a high end epic weapon (or it turns an already epic weapon into something über). Typically builds with AK/WoD have higher will saves and more AC and damage than other fighter builds. It's a great prc[/quote]



Following this line all spells like: Flame Weapon, Burning Hands etc. should be nerfed aswell to 1d4 because they turn +4 weapons into UBER weapons or epic weapons into godlike weapons.

And you keep talking about mixing WoD with AK. Tell me any other build that prove WoD useful. If there is a problem with class in only one combo then not the class should be nerfed but the combo should be blocked...

sweetlikesplenda wrote: Don't get me wrong, I would love if the class was as kaedrin created it. More feats and higher elemental damage, but, eh, I deal with it. The class has its merits.

This class should be nerfed but not as much as it is now that is my opinion. Atm I only see sayin things like "But WoD and Ak is imba!" then block the possibility of takin both of them. How simple is that? anyway... explain to me how Anointed Knight can become a Warrior of Darkness and conversely?

Black Flame Zealot is definitely weak, no questions there.

Warrior of Darkness is definitely not weak.

Bad Omens wrote:Black Flame Zealot is definitely weak, no questions there.

But wasn't it agreed to buff it somewhat ? Question is only when does this happen ?
http://www.bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=48898

BFMZ's death attack was likely removed to avoid manyshot shenanigans with assassin. As for the fact that two nerfed to hell and back PRCs are some of a melee character's best choices on this server, well. That says more about the sorry state of said characters rather than the perceived power of these classes.

Black Flame Zealot has a thread on the QC forums. We have some suggested changes that have been agreed on, but they haven't been made yet (there's a looooooot of things in the queue, guys...).

I'll bump the thread, though.

Black Flame Zealot is terrible mainly for the requirements.

AK and WoD are very good classes instead. The latter is also an excellent option for sneaks.

The Whistler wrote:As for the fact that two nerfed to hell and back PRCs are some of a melee character's best choices on this server, well. That says more about the sorry state of said characters rather than the perceived power of these classes.

I would not be so hasty to evaluate the situation. Good players build and play good characters, casters or melees, as AC81 has mentioned in another thread very recently.

Meanwhile, Karond's Dwarven Defender is among the best PvE characters one can build, and it's as melee as it gets.

I remember a time when almost every week someone was crying about arcane casters being useless...go figure

The classes have been out for years so there has been PLENTY of time to look them over , that is not really a hasty evaluation. The conversation arises often on the IRC about the power disparity of WoD and AK in comparison to more performance-enhanced classes. These classes are chosen more often than not for the flavor.

Grimdark Hitman wrote:The classes have been out for years

And people still cannot build, nor play.

Invoker wrote:

Grimdark Hitman wrote:The classes have been out for years

And people still cannot build, nor play.

I'll say this, WoD / AK gains some pretty decent stuff that would make a F20/WoD 10 better than a fighter 30 and fighter 30 is fine. Is it a world beater? No, but it's a simple build, difficult to mess up and can do just fine.

I spent a long time feeling uber weak with my main pc because a) design choices I knew would make him weaker than a "power built"character with the same classes and b) design errors caused by lack of knowledge of the server and pw's in general (and c not being very good mechanically when I first started playing here) In any case my advice / challenge to players of any class they feel is "too weak" is to seek out others to help with the build as well as the tactics/mechanics of playing. If you make an effort to learn all the little nuances be assured that any class you choose can do very well in pve and accomplish what you are looking for.

This is not to point the finger saying "you just don't know how to play" so much as to say I THOUGHT I knew how to play when I joined the pw, but every month I can look back and point at new things I didn't know about that caused me no end to frustration earlier in my tenure here. So if even one person is saying a class you find weak is actually strong maybe reach out and ask for their help?

That said it is very much agreed on that BFZ needs a little love, as DG stated there is simply a whole bunch of back load to work through.

Invoker wrote: And people still cannot build, nor play.

What a sweetheart.