About the Hierophant PRC

[Syracuse]

Hello hello! Sorry if the answer is written somewhere plainly obvious already, but I was taking a look at the new Prestige Classes and hoped to get a answer about which of the lore skills is compatible with its current 15 Lore skill demand.

Is this strictly in the base skill, Lore, or can it be any of the lore skills? I can feel myself wasting away on skill points already!

((P.S., mega sorry if this is the wrong area for such a question. ))

[Rhifox]

Currently, PRCs use the standard lore skill (Arcana).

I had to cross-class 8 ranks of Lore: Arcana to take Thaumaturge on my RCR just now.

[Syracuse]

Oh man, that's really heavy a skill investment. Clerics/Druids get 2 a level (or some such), yo! It's a really good PRC, but dang. Oh well, guess I'll stay the course for now. Thanks, Rhifox!

[Rhifox]

I do really think Hierophant needs to change to require Lore: Religion, since a lot of the classes that would pick it up aren't going to be able to get enough Arcana ranks before 20.

[Calodan]

I believe Duster is going to get on that after the major bugs are worked out but Duster did say that for something like Hierophant it would make more sense for Lore Religion in that case. Just a patience thing I guess. If one is having issues taking the lore they could use ABLE LEARNER feat to get it at only 1 point a level. Not like a Druid would miss much being as a Druid getting Hierophant would be aiming for being a DC caster of types and using magical wild shape.

[Moltrazahn]

Hei. Sorry to invade the thread. .. but I got a question to this class as well... does any of the feats provide additional effective Caster levels? Like vs dispelled etc. Say you got a 28 cl gish, would any of the increased divine power feats add to your existing CL or is that only on offensive spells being cast etc?

[Karond]

The spellpower feats (giving +1 CL each), will help against dispels.

[mrm3ntalist]

Hei. Sorry to invade the thread. .. but I got a question to this class as well... does any of the feats provide additional effective Caster levels? Like vs dispelled etc. Say you got a 28 cl gish, would any of the increased divine power feats add to your existing CL or is that only on offensive spells being cast etc?

Most likely a 28CL gish, wont be able to take hierophant because of the 7lvl requirement. I know because i tried hard to see if EDM FSs can benefit from it... they cant

[Calodan]

Most likely a 28CL gish, wont be able to take hierophant because of the 7lvl requirement. I know because i tried hard to see if EDM FSs can benefit from it... they cant

Well......if you take the 3rd level of a class on level 21...........It just barely stops a PB EDM FS.

[mrm3ntalist]

Most likely a 28CL gish, wont be able to take hierophant because of the 7lvl requirement. I know because i tried hard to see if EDM FSs can benefit from it... they cant

Well......if you take the 3rd level of a class on level 21...........It just barely stops a PB EDM FS.

and then you ll get a free delevel to lvl1. Its very easy to tell. 28CL EDM FS cannot fit hierophant

[Moltrazahn]

Ohhh pffft... not talking fs. But thank you kindy

[Karond]

Technically, you can make a FS, BG, Hierophant. The thing with hierophant is that you can't take a 4th class in the build, unless that 4th class is morninglord, shadow adept, silverstar or thaumaturge.

So, the classic FS builds with evasion splash and turn undead suffers a bit unless you go 14 FS, 3 Cleric with water domain, 3 Hierophant, and fill in the rest at epic levels.

However, at that point one has to ask what the FS powerbuild gets out of Hierophant? It's never really worth going into it unless you're a DC caster.

[chad878262]

Yes, the only way to get Heirophant AND 2 non-caster classes/PRC's is to go with Cleric or Druid (ie, CL13/H3/R3/X3) but I've no idea why you would since as a Cleric you already have the thing FS's are trying to get (turn undead)... Heirophant does help some of the PRC's that give partial progression, but unfortunately BFZ is still crap.

The Devs did a really good job of engineering the PRC not to allow for Melee benefit. I put together a concept the other day on NWN2DB for a Monk/SF/Cleric/Heirophant and was able to reach 29 CL by using PSC and 2 spell powers while still attaining level 5 monk and level 10 SF. By reducing either Monk to 3 or SF to 8 you could add 2 levels of Heirophant and have CL30 (or 31, I forget...) In any case, this is the first melee concept I've come up with that benefits from Heirophant... I was looking in to it because I think Monk/Cleric/SF with the dispel fix is somewhat hurt since if you went M3/SF10/C17 with PSC you still only reach CL 29 due to SF having two levels that do not grant spell progression... Technically speaking you could go M5/SF10/C9/H6 w/ SP3 and you would hit CL30 instead of 29 (which is probably the route I would take). However, this breaks the rule of 4 for Medium BAB classes four times over...ending on level 5, and 9 especially (though 5 gets -1 instead of -2 for flurry.) This is not much of a loss since you will be using a lot of divine power / extended divine power...

[matelener]

Does Hierophant progress turning? Apart from the Master of Energy.

[chad878262]

yes, full caster and turn undead progression.