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Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:58 pm
by doctorsimon4
Hey there,

I was wondering if someone would be able to put together a semi decent build which incorporated the two weapon fighting of a ranger, with the stealthy aspects of a rogue. I plan to use half-drow as my race the rest is up to you.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:20 pm
by zyztem
doctorsimon4 wrote:Hey there,

I was wondering if someone would be able to put together a semi decent build which incorporated the two weapon fighting of a ranger, with the stealthy aspects of a rogue. I plan to use half-drow as my race the rest is up to you.
There are a few problems:

1, For a ranger to be good, you need to invest a LOT of ranger levels.
2, Since you cant get high fighter levels, you do TERRIBLE melee damage against non-favored enemies.
3, You are made of glass, and feat starved.

To solve these problems:

1, Get crossbow sniper, with manyshot, your dmg problem is fixed.
2, Being ranged means you can let your animal slave tank and get killed while you laugh at their blind loyalty.
3, You want sneaks, and assassin mixes very well with manyshots.

Here is a long range Ranger/Assassin build
http://nwn2db.com/build/?238327

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:40 pm
by chad878262
What? Terrible melee damage? Made of glass? Hmmm...get on Mendels bad side some time and see what a pure level 30 ranger can do.

To the original poster, ranger 21/Assassin 9 is one option. Another would be rogue/wilderness stalker/Assassin/invisible blade. Ranger 16/R11/SD3 could also work.

There are many builds so maybe narrow it down a bit...are you looking for the twf aspect mostly or more a tracker/scout type? Looking to max DEX or take advantage of ranger ptwf while being STR based?

I can put a build together but would like to narrow down what you're looking for.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:24 pm
by zyztem
chad878262 wrote:What? Terrible melee damage? Made of glass? Hmmm...get on Mendels bad side some time and see what a pure level 30 ranger can do.
I highly doubt it unless Mendels is an RCRed lvl30 ranger that can freely pick playable races as favored enemy.
Yes, pvp-favored ranger is not too bad, strong even on open terrain, but its either very hard to level or you have to have another lvl30 to convert to.
I don't have a lvl30 char on this server yet, so I might get some hate from saying this, but.
If I have a lvl30 with equivalent gear i can eat Mendel for breakfast, no matter how pvp-focused he is.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:28 pm
by chad878262
Not true, elves and outsiders are examples of player races and epic enemies, but boe, while great extra damage isn't the only thing rangers can do... 1d8 for damage on both weapons, very good buffs on this server, umd wands just like anyone else. HiPS, EW, lots of attacks... when M3ntalist comes back I'll let him debate with you.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:35 pm
by zyztem
chad878262 wrote:Not true, elves and outsiders are examples of player races and epic enemies, but boe, while great extra damage isn't the only thing rangers can do... 1d8 for damage on both weapons, very good buffs on this server, umd wands just like anyone else. HiPS, EW, lots of attacks... when M3ntalist comes back I'll let him debate with you.
I actually got the ranged ranger idea from him.
Also, a ranged full ranger is power builder/epic level of good.
Compares to melee ranger's soso/above average

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:08 am
by doctorsimon4
What I am really looking for is a dex based melee assassin/rogue, someone who can sneak around and pick people off. Not someone who is in the thick of it and can be easily killed. Does that help you a lot in terms of putting a build together? I'd rather avoid using ranged attacks as I find it very dull in terms of play style.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:44 am
by chad878262
http://nwn2db.com/build/?238452

How about this? Gets HiPS as early as possible, some of the ranger goodies from Wilderness Stalker, 14d6 sneak/death attack dice.

Build could be done with any race, though you have to drop either stealth, luck of heros or blindfight unless you are switching to strongheart halfling. Tiefling is really great for the bonus to dex/int, for example. Really though, it's an RP choice so whatever fits your idea. I didn't finish out the skills, but obviously you should get UMD maxed for scrolls/wand use, survival should be brought up on Wilderness stalker levels in order to better use tracking/swift tracker. After that, tweak to your RP as desired! :)

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:32 am
by Calodan
Why not go with a measuring stick Assasin/Rogue/Invisible Blade? Has insane amounts of damage. Great sneak too that can generate sneak attacks with Feint feat when they can not sneak in higher areas too. This build is one I am using for character concept but can be moved around fairly easy to another race. I went with Tief for it but half-drow or drow would work really well with this as well.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?213064


Also I believe the measuring stick ranger is a Ranger/Arcane Archer/Assasin. This build is insane and since the poster was going to go with half-drow it should qualify for Arcane archer no? Funny enough the build I found that matches this the most is one by Valefort from here. His builds are pretty solid.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?165411

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:16 am
by AlfarinIcebreaker
I would recommend 26 Ranger/4 Whirling Dervish or Assassin. You don't want dexterity based two weapon fighting with Ranger, because Ranger will automatically qualify you for the feats without meeting DEX prerequisites, thus enabling you to focus on increasing Strength and through that damage and knockdown checks.

I've seen couple of these builds in EDE (Mendel and Jhaeros) and they were fantastic, especially against FE groups which they turned into minced meat.

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:19 am
by Uranus
AlfarinIcebreaker wrote:I would recommend 26 Ranger/4 Whirling Dervish or Assassin. You don't want dexterity based two weapon fighting with Ranger, because Ranger will automatically qualify you for the feats without meeting DEX prerequisites, thus enabling you to focus on increasing Strength and through that damage and knockdown checks.

I've seen couple of these builds in EDE (Mendel and Jhaeros) and they were fantastic, especially against FE groups which they turned into minced meat.
Rangers are not full CL at the moment. They are either 27 or 15. Until that is fixed, any multiclassing will seriously gimp them.

Paladins as well

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:33 am
by chad878262
Uranus wrote:Rangers are not full CL at the moment. They are either 27 or 15. Until that is fixed, any multiclassing will seriously gimp them.

Paladins as well
Absolutely a bug to be fixed. Rangers/Paladin are full progression on bg. Did you report this on the bugs thread?

I haven't noticed this with my ranger/Assassin, did it occur with the most recent patch?

Re: Two weapon dex ranger/rogue

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:35 am
by Uranus
chad878262 wrote:Absolutely a bug to be fixed. Rangers/Paladin are full progression on bg. Did you report this on the bugs thread?

I haven't noticed this with my ranger/Assassin, did it occur with the most recent patch?
No the forums were down.

Make a a ranger30 or a paladin 30 and ask a 30cl character to cast Greater dispel