Lore bug: StormSinger

[nezzerscape]

I have 1 level of StormSinger and it will not let me take another.

I believe it is due to all the new lore skills. There is no longer a "lore" skill, now there are "XXX lore" skills. The class require "lore" and I think with all the changes this was over looked.

Can anyone confirm they cannot progress in a class that requires lore?

As it stand now I cannot level.

Nez

[DM Ninox]

New stormsinger class requirements:

Requirements:
Feats: Bard Song.
Skills: Concentration 8, Lore: Arcana 8, Lore: Geography 4, Lore: Nature 4, Perform 8, Spellcraft 4.

You will probably need to utilise the free RCR function to correct this.

[Duster47]

A related topic. Above is not a bug.
Subject: 19MAR2016 BUG REPORT THREAD

Druids no longer get the class skill of "Lore: Arcana". Cavestalker Lore 4 prerequisite does not consider "Lore: Nature" as counting towards it.

Shouldn't be a bug. Druids aren't supposed to get Lore: Arcane, and Cavestalker should require Lore: Dungeoneering (assuming they gave it the pnp requirement).

IIRC, these are among the files I changed for Sunday's update to what Rhifox says.

BTW, we have on our to-do list updating the BG custom-class (non-NWN2) descriptions as posted in this thread. Any class description that is simply "Lore" will change to one or more of the ten Knowledge/Lore categories now available. The PRC requirements 2da files are being updated as problems are identified.

If you think there is a problem w.r.t. granted or missing Lore-area, then post report and supply a PnP v3.5 relevant link to your source document. This is the source I start with.

[Stonebar]

New stormsinger class requirements:

Requirements:
Feats: Bard Song.
Skills: Concentration 8, Lore: Arcana 8, Lore: Geography 4, Lore: Nature 4, Perform 8, Spellcraft 4.

Why are Stormsingers required to spend 8 more ranks in skills then before?

[Duster47]

New stormsinger class requirements:

Requirements:
Feats: Bard Song.
Skills: Concentration 8, Lore: Arcana 8, Lore: Geography 4, Lore: Nature 4, Perform 8, Spellcraft 4.

Why are Stormsingers required to spend 8 more ranks in skills then before?

Because the Lore says so. The PRC descriptions are updated. Changes are in red text.

[Stonebar]

Lore as in PnP? I was told very clearly in the past that the changes are inspired buy PnP not to match PnP. Unless you mean the new changes now equal lore? As that's the link you gave me. The class should at least get some boost for the added extra requirements to be fair I feel.

[Thorsson]

So two wrongs make a right?

[DM Golem]

Lore as in PnP? I was told very clearly in the past that the changes are inspired buy PnP not to match PnP. Unless you mean the new changes now equal lore? As that's the link you gave me. The class should at least get some boost for the added extra requirements to be fair I feel.

On Lore skills, we have followed Lore, yes.

If it makes the class unplayable, I am sure it will come up in QC - but for now, I do not think balance is so perfect that adding an additional skill point requirement (to a class aimed at Bards, no less) makes the balance of Stormsinger unfair.

[Steve]

Storm singer is not just for Bards. If that is how the Staff considers it and how judgements are made about reqs, then maybe forbid any of the various other multi classing using SS.

[DM Golem]

Its a Bardic PRC, it requires Bard Song.

Of course other classes can make use of it if they multiclass with Bard.

The point is the neccessary skill points are not hard to acquire even with 3 levels of Bard and any other applicable class!

[Duster47]

Lore as in PnP? I was told very clearly in the past that the changes are inspired buy PnP not to match PnP. Unless you mean the new changes now equal lore? As that's the link you gave me. The class should at least get some boost for the added extra requirements to be fair I feel.

Yes, we are aligning with PnP V3.5 where available. We also added Lore-X to classes that actually had no Lore (Knowledge) as a Class Skill. Such as Barbarian now gets Knowledge: Nature as Class Skill (IIRC - there are so many! ) Some of the "home brew" PRCs that are not specific, we went with the class-theme to select an appropriate Knowledge area.

If you disagree with our choices, you are welcome to propose alternatives In A New Thread with supporting Lore or rationale if there is not any Lore or multiple non-canon sources.

[mrm3ntalist]

Storm singer is not just for Bards. If that is how the Staff considers it and how judgements are made about reqs, then maybe forbid any of the various other multi classing using SS.

Is there any other class that gives bard songs - a prereq for Stormsinger?

Having said that, the additional lore skill requirements were not needed even if spending 8 more skill points on a bard build is not that bad.

[Steve]

The point is the neccessary skill points are not hard to acquire even with 3 levels of Bard and any other applicable class!

Sorry, but "not hard" is a judgement, because there are how many Skills that may or may not need points for our Character...and now, there is simply 8 less than before.

Is there any other class that gives bard songs - a prereq for Stormsinger?

Having said that, the additional lore skill requirements were not needed even if spending 8 more skill points on a bard build is not that bad.

Let me be clear: I do not have a problem in principle for taking Classes/PrCs closer to PnP or just Lore, if and when possible.

But I do take issue when some say "its not hard" or "its not needed," as if you judge it that way PERSONALLY, and then the rest of us just need to suck it up.

[DM Golem]

Well, pretty much, I'm afraid. The accessibility of a class vs its power is something that QC will look at (in a wide ranging look at class balance post update), but its a project of the coming months, not immediate. Not least as data has to be generated in the new landscape.

[Steve]

....a wide ranging look at class balance post update....

Now I'm truly afraid.

Sure, you could have a go a weakening the StormSinger Class, but damn...you should consider Bard itself, first.

Not to mention Dwarven Defender. I could go on, really. I guess I'll patiently wait for those threads.