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Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:53 pm
by NegInfinity
It is impossible to attack undead summons on surface.
Ran into palemaster summon in the forest, fully buffed, with no visible owner.
Tried to attack it -> no right click menu.
Threw holy water on it -> nope, no damage.
Tried to pickpocket it (maybe that would turn it hostile), it screamed "Arrest the pickpocket". :-\
Also, monsters ignored it, as far as I can tell.
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I mean, come on.
I think this should be fixed soon, because it allows godmoding.
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:01 pm
by Blackman D
well the interaction issue was brought up, they cant be healed either, but there was no response for it
but if someone is hiding and letting the summon do everything thats practically the same as afk grinding so i would screen shot it and report it to the DMs, even if you cant find the person it at least lets the DMs know that its becoming a bigger issue and they will probably put it higher up on things to get done
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:18 pm
by Darradarljod
NegInfinity wrote:Ran into palemaster summon in the forest, fully buffed, with no visible owner.
Maybe an OOC message to ask for the player to hostile you. Failing that,
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Hostile to the entire server, one by one, until you get the right player and can attack that summon...maybe that will work...
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:25 pm
by NegInfinity
Darradarljod wrote:to the entire server, one by one, until you get the right player and can attack that summon...maybe that will work...
XD
"a person that you've never met now hates you in particular. And your friend too. And the guy you were talking to for the past 5 seconds. And his pig familiar.". (Yeah, I know how it is an OOC action)
I guess I"ll try that out the next time.
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Either way,
It would be nice to be able to hostile the player via his/her summon.
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:48 pm
by Nocturnus
Blackman D wrote: if someone is hiding and letting the summon do everything thats practically the same as afk grinding so i would screen shot it and report it to the DMs
Hmm, what if a character is specialized in summoning? I can't imagine that's fair to wizards/sorcs
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:56 pm
by Blackman D
being a summoner doesnt mean going invis so you cant be attacked or interacted with while your summon kills everything
you can stand there with buffs and just let it kill everything and no one will care, but you can be interacted with like that
if it can be perceived as afk grinding then it is probably afk grinding unless you are there to say otherwise
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:59 pm
by NegInfinity
Nocturnus wrote:
Hmm, what if a character is specialized in summoning? I can't imagine that's fair to wizards/sorcs
Yes, it is a completely valid behavior for a summoner.
The problem is lack of mechanical way to destroy/attack summon. That allows easy godmoding. But letting your summon do everything is fine, as long as the owner stays IC, and doesn't try to "play DM" using summons.
Blackman D wrote:being a summoner doesnt mean going invis so you cant be attacked or interacted with while your summon kills everything
Being a summoner means exactly that.
HOwever, people can always throw flask/holy water at you and a lot of them have ability to see invisible. So you CAN be interacted with even if you don't want to.
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:02 pm
by Rhifox
Blackman D wrote:being a summoner doesnt mean going invis so you cant be attacked or interacted with while your summon kills everything
you can stand there with buffs and just let it kill everything and no one will care, but you can be interacted with like that
Buffing yourself means less buffs for the summon. Going invisible to conserve spell slots for buffs is a perfectly legitimate and common tactic for a buffing/summoning caster, both for summons and for party members. It is also an especially useful tool if you are using an undead summon and wish to avoid being identified for it.
A summoner running around invisible leading the summon between opponents and reacting to RP that happens at the summon is not an AFK grinder. I know just the other day on my RW I dismissed a summon after someone used Turn Undead on it, regardless of the current inability-to-attack-summons problem. I also was emoting the summon around them. That's hardly 'not interacting', or not giving people an opportunity to interact.
For it to be AFK grinding, the invisible person would have to be parking AFK in one location while letting the summon kill respawns over and over. In such a case,
of course action should be taken.
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:13 pm
by Blackman D
Blackman D wrote:if it can be perceived as afk grinding then it is probably afk grinding unless you are there to say otherwise
Re: Impossible to attack undead summons.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:21 pm
by NegInfinity
Rhifox wrote:
Buffing yourself means less buffs for the summon. Going invisible to conserve spell slots for buffs is a perfectly legitimate and common tactic for a buffing/summoning caster, both for summons and for party members. It is also an especially useful tool if you are using an undead summon and wish to avoid being identified for it.
Yes. I used to have a sorcerer thaumaturge, basically it is exactly how a summoner would go.
You go invisible, summon your minion, buff it through the roof, throw minimal set of wards on yourself, and let the minion do the job. If someone sees you/interacts with you, you respond. If someone rolls something like a listen check, you respond. If someone attacks the summon, you react (how you react depends on the nature of character).
Also, before the update thaumaturge was able to summon second summon via planar binding, and buff that one too. So, you would be left with no attack spells, but you could RP both as yourself and as your cohort, while occasionally throwing some remarks/emotes as a summon.
Blackman D wrote:Blackman D wrote:if it can be perceived as afk grinding then it is probably afk grinding unless you are there to say otherwise
No.
Besides that particular skeleton was standing in the middle of hostile spiders without attacking anything or being attacked by anything.
Also, you can't AFK grind with a summon. They're dumb as a rock and require constant babysitting.
