Wand, Scroll and Potion crafting

[Ariella]

How about a reduction in craft costs to go along with the new dispel fix?, A lot of non caster classes depend on consumables. With the change you have to use a considerably larger amount in any area with dispel.

[Blackman D]

unless something has changed the cost are actually exactly what they should be in pnp and have always been that way, so unlikely

and reducing crafting cost in argument of non casters seems a bit backwards honestly, one would think you would ask for a reduction in vendor prices but they are already fairly low and usually cheaper than making the same thing for some

and pretty sure vendors were already reduced at some point in time but i cant remember, maybe not

[Ariella]

Comparing to PnP is ineffective in this case, In pnp you don't fight one encounter with a dispelling monster every few seconds and items can be crafted with the CL of the crafter so you could have level 30 wands and scrolls.

Also basic improved mage armor in pnp would cost 11k not 21 and that's excluding the cost of a bone wand for an extra 5k.

Making vendor prices cheaper eliminate crafting as a source, The argument is to benefit non casters this does not mean it cannot be made by a caster.

[Blackman D]

how would it not be made by a caster when casters are the only ones who call those prices...

if you are not a caster and you are using UMD to make the items then thats just too bad, pay the gold like everyone else, magical items are suppose to be expensive and they are in fact one of the few effective gold sinks on the server

as for IMA it costs 22500g, the formula is the exact same in pnp (DMG p 287) and it is not an "basic" wand it has a 10 CL

the listed base price for a 3rd level wand is 11,250 however it assumes minimum caster level (the basic you are thinking of), being 5th so you end up with 750g x 5 x 3 = 11,250g ; IMA at 10 CL is 750g x 3 x 10 = 22,500g

[Ariella]

how would it not be made by a caster when casters are the only ones who call those prices...

I don't really have the patience to explain how you misinterpreted.

magical items are suppose to be expensive and they are in fact one of the few effective gold sinks on the server

Gold sinks are only effective if people are willing to sink gold into it. Not everyone can pull out 80k for wands every few days.

as for IMA it costs 22500g, the formula is the exact same in pnp (DMG p 287) and it is not an "basic" wand it has a 10 CL

I didn't know what the caster level had been set to, But 1 or 10 is little difference by the time the monsters have dispel. Your argument is that this is how it is in PnP still and its not an effective one. PnP was not designed for a persistent world, You would never grind in PnP, The monsters would be balanced differently, You would rest every three or four encounters, You would not find a spoon in a dragons horde less the dm is playing a cruel joke and of course would could buy a higher CL to match your own level.

[Blackman D]

not everyone needs a gold sink, not everyone has more gold than there are things to do with it

and for those that do have more gold than they have things to spend on it but UMD isnt an option there are new vendors to buy gear from

you have done pnp right? i guess your DM was different than mine, we definitely didnt rest that often, you never beat the dragon and you are lucky to even survive the encounter with it and escape (nevermind the horde you would see it long enough to drool and thats about it) and you wouldnt even be able to afford magical items period...

it is rather easy to get the items, expensive or not, the issue has always been ways for non casters to get things that dont have to be crafted or require UMD and thats finally starting to be taken care of with the newer vendors

there is no reason to change the prices, if anything changes we can attach xp cost to creation and make them exactly like pnp but that might actually upset some people

either way with the new variable CL yea prices are gonna be extremely high because they should be if you set something with a base of 750g x 30 x 1-4; if you really want a CL 30 UMD item just cough up the 2,250 to 90,000g for it

[Shad]

And gold sources reduced. Chests lootable once per reset. Joke made real.

[NeonAvenger]

I don't have a strong opinion about this but just thought I'd point out:

either way with the new variable CL yea prices are gonna be extremely high because they should be if you set something with a base of 750g x 30 x 1-4; if you really want a CL 30 UMD item just cough up the 2,250 to 90,000g for it

You've listed the prices for wands there. Unless something changed since yesterday you can't set the CL on wands.
If it's supposed to be possible someone should probably flag it as a bug.

[Blackman D]

i did wand bc thats what she was talking about, i havent made a wand in a while but if you cant set CL on a wand then i really dont see the point of bringing up wands at all

adjusting a PrC is a different topic than adjusting all magical items