Brawler, Unarmed Champion. (No Monk)

[MasterOfSevens]

Tell me I'm insane. Tell me I'm mad. Don't care if I'm underpowered.
Something that could dominate in the Roaringshore arena.

I'm looking for a beat'em up brawler-type character.
He took part in a fighting ring in the streets of
Waterdeep, was used as a tool for
earning gold and gaining fame.

Tough as nails, high constitution is liked. Absolutely *no* weapon.

Rules: Must be human, no magic, no monks.
I'm on the fence about Fist of the Forest.

[Steve]

Fighter 12 / Rogue 11 / Warrior of Darkness 4 / Bodyguard 3

FotF is a very good idea, if you can justify the RP of the PrC.

Btw: you're not so much insane to do this, but you'll be sad you did! Unless of course you use the 100% RCR currently available to get to lvl 30 do you can pawn-punch your way to notoriety! Lol

[NegInfinity]

//Warning: I do not claim that this will be the most powerful build out there.

As far as I can tell, since it is a RP build, you could just go with 16 str 14 con Fghter 30 human with stead fast determination, Unarmed Strike, IPA/ICE, Improved Knockdown, and all weapon specialization/focus feats + weapon mastery unarmed. At epic levels pick up Epic Prowess, Epic Focus/Specialization and 7x greater strength. You'll end up with 30 str and 47 unbuffed AB.

It won't be the strongest build out there, of course. Also, disarm probably won't be useful, because (AFAIK) fists do not count as "large" weapon, so you'll be at disadvantage when disarming.

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The alternative route would be making this guy a Rogue Feinter. That'll be harder, he'll have less tricks and will be squishier, but he'll deall significantly more damage sneak attacking with anything (even a pebble).

basically, see which fits your concept the best.

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Fist of the forest would work better for Barbarian without Armor and sorta implies love of nature. I'm not sure if that's what you'd actually want. Barbarian/FistOfTheForest will be dumber and without any tricks, but he'll also be tougher with damage resistance.

Something like WoD could be a decent choice, but it implies that you know spellcraft, alchemy and spent some time performing scarification ritual on yourself.

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If I were you I'd just go with Fghter 30 and see how this one fares. The only issue is that you'll really want to fight in armor, and preferably with shield too - to get more AC. And I'm not sure if that fits your concept well.

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All the other alternatives most likely will involve raising dex and going with duelist/high int route. And that doesn't seem to fit the picture you posted.

[Thorsson]

I have to say I immediately thought of Barbarian. That also fits the high Con.

Ba17/F8/FB5 would work, although you don't get full tumble. That would come if you could see your way to FoF - say Ba18/F4/FoF3/FB5.

Reasons:

Barbarian 17 gets Tireless Rage. Surely such a seasoned pugilist wouldn't get worn out by going a few rounds.

Fighter helps you get the Feats you need to be viable, F4 gets WS and UWM. F8 gets EWF.

FB enables you to do more damage, which you kind of need with a non-Monk.

FoF would make a huge difference to AC.

[chad878262]

I vaguely recall a similar thread not too long ago where we discussed this and the overwhelming conclusion was an unarmed warrior without either Monk or Bear Warrior is simply not viable (as in there is really nowhere you'll be able to safely go to adventure, thus gaining levels to realize your dream of a great brawling warrior)... So what about using bear warrior, but treating it somewhat like Kelemvor's curse (errr....beforehe became a god, that is)? Only turn in to a bear when you need to, as a method of leveling/adventure, etc... All your feats from Fighter levels stack so you could go either Barb 20/Bear Warrior 10 for epic rages or Barb 8/F 12/BW 10 for more damage (or fewer fighter if you don't mind losing Epic Weapon Specialization, you could either drop F to 8 or 4 to gain more Barbarian or grab another class).

Do as you will, of course, but I think Steve is right... You will become immensely upset/disappointed/frustrated with this character regardless how great you feel about the concept. There is simply NO non-Monk build on this server that can viably be an unarmed fist fighter/brawler (and do well at it). Also, even if it is not necessarily within your RP concept you probably want UMD so you can at least use some enchanted Monk gloves...

[mrm3ntalist]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?238275

Having 17DR and 560HP ( 600+ with items ) means that you can deal with any other unarmed character 1vs1.

When raging you ll get an extra boost to damage in addition to the damage boost of the FoF.

No armor is needed.

FoF Allows you to max heal for 64 + ( 2 * 1d20 ) + healkit bonus healing points per round

[joleda]

It's too bad that Sacred Fist levels do not allow you to wear light armor and still get the +3 AC at level 10. I'm talking about characters without Monk levels, of course. If light armor were allowed, all of these would allow you to have 18-ish DEX and allow you to have high STR and still have decent AC without the need for buffs.

Barb 16 / Ranger 4 / SF 10 (30 BAB)
Barb 16 / Cleric 4 / SF 10 (29 BAB)
Fighter 16 / Ranger 4 / SF 10 (30 BAB)
Fighter 16 / Paladin 4 / SF 10 (30 BAB)
Fighter 16 / Cleric 4 / SF 10 (29 BAB)

I spent a couple of hours one day trying to figure it out myself, but gave up since Monk is basically mandatory. From this page on Tanarukks, I see that a Brawler fits their lore, even if only in a ceremonial capacity. (I assume the something similar could be said for all Orcs?) The best that I could come up with was something that couldn't wear armor at all.

Fighter 12 / FotF 3 / Ranger 5 / Sacred Fist 10

http://nwn2db.com/build/?238275

Having 17DR and 560HP ( 600+ with items ) means that you can deal with any other unarmed character 1vs1.

When raging you ll get an extra boost to damage in addition to the damage boost of the FoF.

No armor is needed.

FoF Allows you to max heal for 64 + ( 2 * 1d20 ) + healkit bonus healing points per round

This build doesn't have Blindfight, Athktatlan, Sembian, Combat Expertise, or any other defense. I suppose it's not needed with that much DR? Outside of Rage, does that build have adequate AB?

[Thorsson]

This build doesn't have Blindfight, Athktatlan, Sembian, Combat Expertise, or any other defense. I suppose it's not needed with that much DR? Outside of Rage, does that build have adequate AB?

FoF gets Blind Fight for free.

When Raging you get a pile of AC from Whirlwind Frenzy and Ice Troll Berserker.

[joleda]

Nice. Does the FotF lose the 1d4 bonus damage if he wears armor?

[joleda]

Fighter 12 / Frenzy 10 / WoD 8 ?

Fighter for the weapon specializations, FB for the Supreme PA, and WoD for 1 bonus damage and 3/- DR. Is 12/- DR possible?

Attributes: 18-12-16-10-8-8
Level 30: 20-12-21-10-8-8

Damage: 1d3 + 8 + 1 + SPA + STR + Gloves = 1d3 + 30 give or take.

Available Class skills: Tumble, Spellcraft, Intimidate, Taunt

[Thorsson]

Nice. Does the FotF lose the 1d4 bonus damage if he wears armor?

No, just the AC bonus.

[Thorsson]

Fighter 12 / Frenzy 10 / WoD 8 ?

Fighter for the weapon specializations, FB for the Supreme PA, and WoD for 1 bonus damage and 3/- DR. Is 12/- DR possible?

Attributes: 18-12-16-10-8-8
Level 30: 20-12-21-10-8-8

Damage: 1d3 + 8 + 1 + SPA + STR + Gloves = 1d3 + 30 give or take.

Available Class skills: Tumble, Spellcraft, Intimidate, Taunt

Supreme PA is not that much extra over Enhanced PA, especially as Fist is a 1H weapon. IMO not worth 5 levels to get, seeing that you could get 2 more levels of WoD (=2 Epic Feats) and 3 levels of something else instead.

You can get 12/- DR with the 3 Epic Feats.

[mrm3ntalist]

You can get 12/- DR with the 3 Epic Feats.

WoD/AK DR and Epid damage reduction does not stack on BG

[Thorsson]

You can get 12/- DR with the 3 Epic Feats.

WoD/AK DR and Epid damage reduction does not stack on BG

My bad. I knew it didn't stack with anything else, I though it did with EDR.

[joleda]

Weapon Supremacy Unarmed?

Fighter 18 / WoD 4 / Rogue 3 / FB 5

So basically take a normal build and replace the current 1d12 or 1d10 or 1d8 with 1d3?

FotF is now needed it seems. How about something closer to 1d8 base damage?

Fighter 18 / WoD 4 / FotF 3 / FB 5
1d3 + 1d4 = 4.5 avg (range is 2-7)
1d8 = 4.5 average