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Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:04 am
by TheLier
Well, I tested it today, and wizard DC is broken too.

My Vamp feast droped form 36 to 24, and Wail and Finger DCs dropped by 3

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:28 am
by mrm3ntalist
TheLier wrote:Well, I tested it today, and wizard DC is broken too.

My Vamp feast droped form 36 to 24, and Wail and Finger DCs dropped by 3
Can you share your build and casting ability points?

This issue is being worked on.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:31 am
by TheLier
mrm3ntalist wrote:
TheLier wrote:Well, I tested it today, and wizard DC is broken too.

My Vamp feast droped form 36 to 24, and Wail and Finger DCs dropped by 3
Can you share your build and casting ability points?

This issue is being worked on.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?241089

Pretty much this, just taking the Epic Focus out, and putting Vamp feast in.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:56 am
by NegInfinity
mrm3ntalist wrote: This issue is being worked on.
DC calculation:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Difficulty_class

Isn't there a separate server for this kind of testing, though?

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:08 am
by mrm3ntalist
NegInfinity wrote:
mrm3ntalist wrote: This issue is being worked on.
DC calculation:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Difficulty_class
Regarding spells: I am certain that the devs know how to calculate the DCs. This issue was happening since the first update was implemented but i guess not many noticed it. Trying to debug it, it seems as if one of the many CL boosting feats ( spellpower, Blood component, PSC etc ) even though the increase the CL correctly, it doesnt count towards the bonus DC from epic CL.

Regrding Epic spells: As rasael explained this was an issue with the latest update. It is a needed fix since it cn fix bugs tht existed since day one.
Isn't there a separate server for this kind of testing, though?
There is but it doesnt run all the time. It needs time for maintenance and updates.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:45 pm
by Rasael
NegInfinity wrote:
mrm3ntalist wrote: This issue is being worked on.
DC calculation:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Difficulty_class

Isn't there a separate server for this kind of testing, though?
We have server 2 sometimes, when Duster synced it and boots it up.

But because the applications are hosted on the same server they compete for resources during boot up. Which is not ideal. I'd love a proper testing environment, but if I had the choice I'd still invest it in a better primary server...

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:08 pm
by Aurali
I would guess this is similar to the cleric DC issue in that certain PrC's aren't counted for CL. So looks like this particular case, red wizard or archmage isn't adding their CL to the CL or DC computation. As for the epic spell, it looks like it is using charisma instead of intelligence but I assume from previous posts this is a known issue.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:11 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Aurali wrote:I would guess this is similar to the cleric DC issue in that certain PrC's aren't counted for CL. So looks like this particular case, red wizard or archmage isn't adding their CL to the CL or DC computation. As for the epic spell, it looks like it is using charisma instead of intelligence but I assume from previous posts this is a known issue.
About the spell DCs: It most certainly is an Epic CL DC calclulation error. From testing it seems either the AM's spellpower is not working as intented or the PSC calculations regarding DCs.

About the epic spells, it seems that there is an error in the DC calculation. Epic spells should not get anything less than 25DC no matter which ability they use.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:16 pm
by ctothep
Just a quick heads up my wizard DCs are higher than they should be since yesterday

Finger of Death is now at 40 but should be at 36 which is equal to the dcs of my illusion spells (i have epic spell focus illusion). I suppose that the spell focus feats are buggy and count towards all of the spell schools?

Besides my Illusion DCs are also one point higher than they should be. Soli is at 40 but should be at 39.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:18 pm
by Aurali
What about a -1 ability bonus? Would that give a 24? For instance, you have a high int but an 8 cha. It is supposed to use int but uses cha instead.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:22 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Aurali wrote:What about a -1 ability bonus? Would that give a 24? For instance, you have a high int but an 8 cha. It is supposed to use int but uses cha instead.
That could explain it. However i casted a vamp feast on a high CHA sorcerer and got a DC of 24.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:38 pm
by Aurali
May it is trying to use wisdom instead? Any other stats than charisma at an 8?

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:34 am
by ctothep
Another heads up my Wizards DCs are now way lower than they should be.

My Mass Blindness is at 35 should be at 40...

It seems epic CLs are not taken into account when it comes to DC calculation.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:57 am
by mrm3ntalist
ctothep wrote:Another heads up my Wizards DCs are now way lower than they should be.

My Mass Blindness is at 35 should be at 40...

It seems epic CLs are not taken into account when it comes to DC calculation.
This issue is being looked at and is close to be fixed. Some aspects of this problem are already fixed, while some others ( such as epic spell DCs and wizard DCs ) need some finetuning. In the end everything will be the same as before and finally sorcerers will be able to pick epic spells on non-sorcerer levels with the correct DCs.

Re: Wizard Dc broken

Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 6:00 pm
by Nomster
mrm3ntalist wrote:In the end everything will be the same as before and finally sorcerers will be able to pick epic spells on non-sorcerer levels with the correct DCs.
ZOMG :o

I cannot wait for that. I hope that there will be announcement and that it happens before the RCR is switched back.