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The bleeder

Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:07 pm
by Akroma666
Looking for critiques and comments:
http://nwn2db.com/build/?242963

Re: The bleeder

Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:09 pm
by Planehopper
Swashbuckler The class now has access to the Lore: Local skill. Insightful Strike is now given at level 5 instead of level 3

Sorry trying to do this on my phone. Just something to be aware of.

Re: The bleeder

Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:03 pm
by Akroma666
Planehopper wrote:Insightful Strike is now given at level 5 instead of level 3
OMG forgot this.. :-/
Thanks

Re: The bleeder

Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 9:07 pm
by Blackman D
not sure how much an IB dip is really helping

the bleed alone has a very big weakness with it being stopped by DR easily, you miss out on feint mastery (not needed but still fairly nice if you use feint a lot), and you will only ever get 3 AC from INT bc its IB level or INT bonus, which ever is lower but can not exceed IB level - and with a 17 INT you can easily get +5 with a +3 item

basically IB has a fairly high requirement for a sneak to not get all 5 levels (my IB's build has 7 feats for prereqs so yea i know how that goes)

its like you want the bleeds, want epic dodge and want the INT bonus to damage but its stretching your build thin, you are calling it a bleeder but yet it only has 3 of the IB levels

out of the 3 (bleeds, epic dodge and INT to dmg) id probably say the attempt to get the INT to damage is whats hurting you, bc of those 5 swash levels you can put 2 to finish off IB and another 3 to rogue and get another feat bc if you are you missing crippling strike and epic precision which of course you go against anything sneak immune your INT to damage isnt gonna help you without your sneak dice

rogue and assassin make up the majority of the build giving you 12d6 SA, you are gonna be fairly reliant on that damage, compared to your 0 str and +3 INT... even with an item to make it +5 thats just not better than half your sneak dice, or bleed 3 with PTWF, thats 4 sneaks in the first flurry which means 6 pt bleed x4 (24) per round, for 3 rounds (72) at least - and yes my IB has PTWF with 10 attacks too, i know how nice that bleed damage can get, especially if you land feint

Re: The bleeder

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 2:24 am
by Thorsson
Agree with the above. You absolutely need Epic Precision otherwise the only damage you do against sneak immunes will be from Combat Insight, which comes very late. That means you need 16 Rogue levels, so you can go Ro16/Asn9 and then either have IB OR SB.

BTW Expert Tactician does nothing for you on BGTSCC.

Re: The bleeder

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:02 am
by Akroma666
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Upon further review j realize how bad bleed is considering the damage reduction, so I'm scrapping the build.
Thanks!