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Abilities stacking
Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 3:51 pm
by Zanniej
So, I always thought that no matter the situation, you get the highest of all bonusses. Imagine my surprise when I saw that barbarian rage adds to items giving bonusses you already have equipped.
My question:
Is this the same with other abilities giving ability bonusses?
( Dwarven defender, Bear warrior, fist of the forrest, etc. )
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 4:24 pm
by mrm3ntalist
No, just Barbarian's rage. Everything else, including FBs Frenzy do not stack with bonuses from items or spells.
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:58 am
by Zanniej
Ah right, thanks.
So no use in ending on odd if you're not going pure barb or anything? (adding +3 from items and barbarian rage after)
A bear warrior is better off ending on even stats? (for strength and con at least)
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:30 pm
by DM Ditto
Bonuses of different types stack. If they are of the same type, only the highest applies. (Exception: Dodge AC)
In your scenario, item stat bonuses (and, oddly, Frenzy) are considered an enhancement bonus, while Barbarian Rage is a morale bonus, which is why it can stack.
Since Barbarian Rage gives an even stat bonus no matter the tier, if you have a +3 stat item it may be fine to end on an odd stat score.
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:52 pm
by Maecius
Rudolph wrote:What about the Bear Warrior rage bonuses that replace Barbarian rage? Do they stack with a) equipment ability bonuses and b) with spells (such as Bull's or Cat's)? I expect not, but it would be good to be sure.
Akroma666 wrote:Rudolph wrote:What about the Bear Warrior rage bonuses that replace Barbarian rage? Do they stack with a) equipment ability bonuses and b) with spells (such as Bull's or Cat's)? I expect not, but it would be good to be sure.
No, I'm pushing to get this changed though.
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:57 am
by tfunke
I have a question regarding stacking myself, hope you don't mind if I ask it here.
I realize universal saves do not stack (fort, reflex, will), but do the other saves stack? For example, saves vs fire +3 or save vs mind affecting +2? Do these saves stack?
If I have an item that gave me +2 reflex saves, and another item that gave me +2 saves vs fire and an enemy cast a evocation fire spell at me. Would my reflex save be +2, or would it be +4?
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:03 am
by illithid
Pretty sure universal saves do stack, the only scenario in which it doesn't is rings which will not stack with each other, so 2x +2save rings wont stack but a +2save cloak and +2save ring will stack
I'm "guessing" that your specific save will also stack with base save bonus, but I don't "know" that
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:10 am
by mrm3ntalist
tfunke wrote:I have a question regarding stacking myself, hope you don't mind if I ask it here.
I realize universal saves do not stack (fort, reflex, will), but do the other saves stack? For example, saves vs fire +3 or save vs mind affecting +2? Do these saves stack?
If I have an item that gave me +2 reflex saves, and another item that gave me +2 saves vs fire and an enemy cast a evocation fire spell at me. Would my reflex save be +2, or would it be +4?
As Ilithid already explained, universal saves ( any saves for that matter ) stack. Only saves from the same item type ( eg rings ) dont stack.
For the second part, even if the save bonus vs type ( +2 fire in your example ) is not shown on the character sheet, it gets applied to the DC calculation. Using your example, your saves against an evocation spell would be +4.
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:47 am
by Zanniej
In that line, do energy resistances stack? Say, racial and class energy resistances?
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:37 am
by chad878262
My understanding is Energy Resistance works like this:
Resistance x/- does not stack, it just takes the highest. So if you had racial resistance 5/-cold and then took cold as your FS resistance it would just be 10/- cold, not 15/-
The percentages DO stack, so if you had cold 20% on one item and 15% on another you would be at 35%. I believe in a few cases there are ways to get 100% resistance to fire, for instance.
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:53 am
by Karond
illithid wrote:Pretty sure universal saves do stack, the only scenario in which it doesn't is rings which will not stack with each other, so 2x +2save rings wont stack but a +2save cloak and +2save ring will stack
I'm "guessing" that your specific save will also stack with base save bonus, but I don't "know" that
Completely accurate. Also, do remember that there is a +20 cap from saves. Items, spells and spellcraft ranks count towards this cap. For example, imagine a character with:
Superior resistance (+6)
30 spellcraft (+6)
Greater Heroism (+4)
Bear's endurance (+2 to fortitude from CON)
Item with +3 saves vs death (fortitude save)
This individual will get +16 to will saves and reflex saves (superior resistance, spellcraft, greater heroism), +18 to fortitude spells and +20 vs death spells (and not 21, as one would believe).
Of special interest is that the warlock invocation "Dark one's own luck" counts towards the cap because it's a spell, but the divine grace or dark blessing from paladin and blackguard respectively does not count towards the cap. That's because feats doesn't count towards the cap.
EDITS: Spelling
Re: Abilities stacking
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:58 am
by Karond
chad878262 wrote:My understanding is Energy Resistance works like this:
Resistance x/- does not stack, it just takes the highest. So if you had racial resistance 5/-cold and then took cold as your FS resistance it would just be 10/- cold, not 15/-
The percentages DO stack, so if you had cold 20% on one item and 15% on another you would be at 35%. I believe in a few cases there are ways to get 100% resistance to fire, for instance.
I think it would stack. Feats stack with each other, like how hellfire warlock's 10/- fire resistance stack with any fire resistance you pick from the warlock class. Or how Aasimar/Tiefling racial resistances stack with energy resist feats or indeed classes like warlock or FS.
What doesn't stack is items + feats, or spells + feats, or spells + items. Not even items + items or spells + spells stack, but feats + feats stack among energy resistances (like 5/- vs fire etc)
Partial immunities (10% vs fire etc.) always stack with each other. Be aware though that the engine can be a bit wonky. If you get 105% resistance, often the engine thinks you've -95% resistance instead so you'll take 95% more damage!
I should also note that partial immunities always stack with energy resistances. If you've 10/- vs fire and +20% vs fire, then suffer 100 fire damage you'll take 100-20% = 80 and then -10 from the resistance = 70 fire damage. The engine always deducts the partial immunity first.