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Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:56 am
by Bad Omens
Does Hierophant get full caster progression?
On each even numbered level, you get to select a new Special Ability Feat, or you just get access to those feats at your next base Feat Selection level?
Hierophant
A divine spellcaster who rises high in the service of his deity gains access to spells and abilities of which lesser faithful can only dream.
The hierophant is a prestige class of clerics and druids. Hierophants are higher members of clergy and druidic circles who decide to temporarily forgo gaining the highest levels of divine magic in order to concentrate on the mastery of what they already possess. This has the chief consequence of having spells that are much more potent than normal, allowing hierophants to heal and damage much more efficiently and powerfully through understanding rather than calling on more involved prayers.
Requirements:
Race: Any
Alignment: Any
Skills: Lore: Religion 15 ranks
Feats: Any metamagic feat
Spell Level: Able to cast 7th Circle Divine spells or higher
Class: Cleric, Druid, Favoured Soul, Spirit Shaman.
Class Features:
- Hit Die: d8
- Base Attack Bonus: Medium
- High Saves: Fortitude, Will
- Weapon Proficiencies: A hierophant gains no weapon proficiencies.
- Armor Proficiencies: a hierophant gains no armor proficiencies.
- Skill Points: 2 + Int Modifier.
- Class Skills: Concentration, Craft Armor, Craft Weapon, Craft Alchemy, Heal, Spellcraft, Lore: Arcana, Lore: History, Lore: Local, Lore: Religion
- Spells per Day/Spells Known: At every level except the Hierophant gains more spells per day. If a character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming a hierophant, he must decide which class he adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:57 am
by mrm3ntalist
Hierophant has full caster progression.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:06 am
by Karond
Bad Omens wrote:Does Hierophant get full caster progression?
On each even numbered level, you get to select a new Special Ability Feat, or you just get access to those feats at your next base Feat Selection level?
They get extra special feats at level 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. You pick one from the list of hierophant specific feats, like extra CL or faith healing etc.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:20 am
by Theodore01
any final decision about possible Favoured Soul / Hieorphants yet?
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:22 am
by Karond
Theodore01 wrote:any final decision about possible Favoured Soul / Hieorphants yet?
Umm, go ahead? All divine classes can use it.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:57 am
by Bad Omens
chambordini wrote:Hierophant requires 7th level spellcasting and somehow that also means 17 in the stat that grants you spellcasting, can't come from items, in the FvS case charisma I think.
Just saying so folks build around that.
Thanks Tsidkenu for testing.
So, a Druid with 16 Wisdom can't take it, or a Druid with 16 Wisdom and +2 Wisdom item can take it?
Sorry, I just want to make sure here.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:01 am
by chad878262
he is saying caster must have a 'natural' 17 in the stat. So Druid would need 17 WIS without items or spells in order to take Hierophant (in addition to access to level 7 spells and lore:religion 15).
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:15 pm
by Seymor
This is very incorrect. You need to be able to cast a 7th level spell but you CAN use equipment for the stat requirement unless something has been changed since I tested last month.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:48 am
by Tsidkenu
Seymor, this is to qualify for a prestige class, not cast spells.
Sure, a spirit shaman with 16 wis and a +3 wisdom item can cast all the way up to 9th level spells. That same spirit shaman will be ineligible to take the Hierophant PRC, even at level 14 and with 15 Lore: Religion simply because its base spellcasting stat (16) disqualifies it from the 7th level spellcasting pre-requisite. Items can never qualify you for a PRC.
I tested it. It's real. Build accordingly.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:51 am
by Seymor
I have retested this again and unless there is a BGTSCC specific change, you can use equipment to enable yourself to cast level 7 spells in order to qualify for Hierophant. You can test this on the base campaign by making a level 5 non-good wizard with 12 int. Without items you cannot take a level of Pale Master, with a +1 int ring, you can.
-Seymor
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:10 pm
by Tsidkenu
Tsidkenu wrote:I tested it. It's real. Build accordingly.
Don't blame me when your 16 wis/cha whatever can't qualify for it and has to RCR at your inconvenience. I'm just going to laugh at you.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:19 pm
by Seymor
chambordini wrote:It's hierophant specific. In regards to vanilla PRCs and maybe kaedrin ones, you can qualify for them without having the base stats for the required spellcasting requirement.
Exception being base spellcasting classes at level 1, which all but warlock, fvs and spirit shamans require 11 in their casting stat. You can circumvent this stat requirement by taking another class at level 1 and taking the spellcasting class at a later level.
Does Hierophant have a secret requirement of: 17 Charisma or 17 Wisdom? Can you take hierophant as a cleric with 16 wisdom, 17 charisma with a +1 wisdom item? This has to be how this is set up and this could be relevant for Turn Undead clerics that want 16+3 wisdom and maximum charisma.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:27 pm
by Tsidkenu
It's not secret:
Requirements:
Race: Any
Alignment: Any
Skills: Lore: Religion 15 ranks
Feats: Any metamagic feat
Spell Level: Able to cast 7th Circle Divine spells or higher
Class: Cleric, Druid, Favoured Soul, Spirit Shaman.
And to qualify for 7th circle divine spells you
must have a base casting stat of 17, irregardless of whatever bolluxed mistakes Bugsidian have made with PRC pre-reqs in the OC.
NWN2 Wiki wrote:Learning requirements
In order to gain access to spellcasting of a specific spell level
the character must have an equal or higher ability score of 10 + spell level for the class spellcasting associated ability. This means that a spellcaster must have at least 10 in the ability score in order to be able to spellcast at all.
And no, I will not be recommending to QC that this should change. If someone is too lazy to meet the prerequisites for a PRC just because they want to min-max their build, that's their fault, not the class itself.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:11 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Tsidkenu wrote:It's not secret:
Requirements:
Race: Any
Alignment: Any
Skills: Lore: Religion 15 ranks
Feats: Any metamagic feat
Spell Level: Able to cast 7th Circle Divine spells or higher
Class: Cleric, Druid, Favoured Soul, Spirit Shaman.
And to qualify for 7th circle divine spells you
must have a base casting stat of 17, irregardless of whatever bolluxed mistakes Bugsidian have made with PRC pre-reqs in the OC.
NWN2 Wiki wrote:Learning requirements
In order to gain access to spellcasting of a specific spell level
the character must have an equal or higher ability score of 10 + spell level for the class spellcasting associated ability. This means that a spellcaster must have at least 10 in the ability score in order to be able to spellcast at all.
And no, I will not be recommending to QC that this should change. If someone is too lazy to meet the prerequisites for a PRC just because they want to min-max their build, that's their fault, not the class itself.
Hierophant does not need 17Wis. 16 + item is enough like every other PRC.
Re: Hierophant Questions?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:51 pm
by Tsidkenu
It does not work for spirit shaman. Perhaps it does for cleric/druid (not tested) but it does not for SS. They require 17 base wisdom
