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Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:38 pm
by fearknight2003
Well, I have my sorceror, and I love playing him, but I like melee people, and I want an alt anyways, but all my ideas so far are awful about this.
Anyone know how to make a non-sneak DEXer with a rapier main-hand and nothing offhand? I guess sneaking wouldn't be bad, but I'd really prefer not sneaking. Does anyone know how to do this?
(Also: please don't say mithril breastplate. I don't know where to get one and I never seem to have more than ~1,000 gold anyways.)

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:48 pm
by Steve
Swashbuckler (7), Duelist (10), Weapon Master (7), Whirling Dervish (6)

Fighter (14), Duelist (10), Rogue (3), Neverwinter Nine (3)

Swashbuckler (11), Wilderness Stalker (10), Neverwinter Nine (5), Rogue (4)

Oh...I almost forgot: MITHRAL BREASTPLATE!!!

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:54 pm
by fearknight2003
Steve wrote:Swashbuckler (7), Duelist (10), Weapon Master (7), Whirling Dervish (6)

Fighter (14), Duelist (10), Rogue (3), Neverwinter Nine (3)

Swashbuckler (11), Wilderness Stalker (10), Neverwinter Nine (5), Rogue (4)

Oh...I almost forgot: MITHRAL BREASTPLATE!!!
Doesn't Whirling Dervish require a slashing weapon and Two-Weapon Fighting?

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:55 pm
by Steve
You are confusing Whirling Dervish with Dervish.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:46 pm
by fearknight2003
I think I'll go with pure Bard using a rapier. How well does that work?

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:04 pm
by Steve
chambordini wrote:bard3/duelist10/swash7/dreadpirate10

Take one hander feat, end up in 30 int (with items).
Sad, sad, terribly sad...almost cruel in its sadness...is that a build like this, does not get Evasion.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:33 pm
by Akroma666

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:49 pm
by Blackman D
my swash will be 5 swash, 12 fighter, 6 duelist, 7 WM

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:01 pm
by fearknight2003
From what I'm seeing, a Parry/Tumble Swashbuckler/Fighter/Duelist/WM would work out good?

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:42 am
by Steve
Chambo, it's the idea man!! A swashbuckler/duelist Character that can't Evade like a pro!!

Its. Just. Wrong. Mate.

But yeah, EW might be the Golden Feat for some, but considering it net's you -15 AC and the chance to better Crit, saying "its not useful" is kinda funny!!

I don't know about 40ish dmg...maybe on foes without Crit Immunity or DR. But that is kinda rare in the Epic Levels.

Don't get me wrong, it is fairly fun build you got there. But I wouldn't play it, when there is some better options overall.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:29 am
by Boddynock
http://nwn2db.com/build/?231798

I played that in the UD and did extremely well. It isn't 100% optimized as I make some choices based on theme or what I simply want to play...but it levels just fine and is an absolute blast.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:06 am
by Steve
chambordini wrote: These don't really do much against crit immunes or dr mobs either now do they?
No...but I also didn't flaunt my Intelligence, like some gnome lover I know...Gnombordini!!!

:lol:

I'm just saying—again—that Swashbuckler nor Duelist getting Evasion, is just S.T.U.P.I.D. PnP or no PnP.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:19 am
by Blackman D
evasion is nice, my original swash did have rogue levels... but trying to do a sneak version after the gear pull wasnt happening so i redid her for just brute force - added F/WM, swash/duel stayed the same

tho i wouldnt really call evasion a must have for the combo, if you end up with low hp and are unable to take a hit... maybe yea, but if you have good AC and the hp then honestly most of the time its only something that does take a reflex save that will hurt you - but with swash, duel and WM your reflex isnt gonna be low so its not as if you are also failing the saves

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:55 am
by Steve
I've tried to play a few Characters that had builds without Evasion, and even with high Reflex. I tell you the truth: too often for my taste, the toon got murderized by some Reflex-fail-high-damage event, like a trap, or a somethinorsomethin, and it bummed me out (not to mention: imagine how my toon felt?!?). :lol:

And yes, Evasion in Platemail, even Mith Plate, is a bummer and would be nice to see fixed.

Re: Fencer/Duelist? One rapier, no offhand?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:32 am
by fearknight2003
The Duelist ability says it only works if they wear "no armor". So... they can't wear armor at all?

How's this? http://nwn2db.com/build/?245800