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Sorcerer with str?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:46 am
by Moltrazahn
This is more a mechanical question rather than a specific build overview.

I got a build which I'm waiting to try out. It's a sorcerer/dragonslayer mix. What I'm looking at is that I can either end on Charisma of 25/str 14. Or... str 24/16 (+3 item added) cha. Duo to wanting to punch things if running out of spells. However... sorceress don't have fantastic ab or bab. So it may be awful even with gmw. So my question is if the str version is even viable endgame?

Re: Sorcerer with str?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:49 am
by mrm3ntalist
Moltrazahn wrote:This is more a mechanical question rather than a specific build overview.

I got a build which I'm waiting to try out. It's a sorcerer/dragonslayer mix. What I'm looking at is that I can either end on Charisma of 25/str 14. Or... str 24/16 (+3 item added) cha. Duo to wanting to punch things if running out of spells. However... sorceress don't have fantastic ab or bab. So it may be awful even with gmw. So my question is if the str version is even viable endgame?
Definetely 24/16 and only use non DC spells. I woud avoid damaging spells altgether.

The build can get decent/good AB in the end and full buffed ( i assume EK is part of the build ).

Re: Sorcerer with str?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:46 am
by Moltrazahn
It's actually not.

The primary build is build on a fortress concept. End ac is around 55. Then throw mirror image. Displacement. Mords counterspelling and lots more on top.

What it lacks is meta-magic aside from extend. And a backup combat... which is why I'm considering a str concept. However... unless I decide to go for tenser transformation (which costs a spellchoice) then the only combat buffs I got is bulls. And given that I prioritised it's survival... the choices are either more charisma (for more spells) or str for whacking things once I run out.

As for the build itself. I can't post it right now. .. given that I'm hiding under a roof on a beach from a thunderstorm ... so I can just type it out :p.

10 pale master (crit immunity. As crits are the only thing that goes through mirror image)
3 dragonslayers (towershield, fullplate, weapon profeciency)
10 Arch mage (Need the +3 spell power to get to 30th CL)
7 sorcerer.

0-9 autostill (fullplate casting and the 9 extra ac)
Mastery of counterspelling (throwing spells back at casters via reactive counterspelling)

This is ofcause when the multiclass penalty of arch mage is removed.

Re: Sorcerer with str?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:47 am
by mrm3ntalist
Then dont go STR unless you want to use Tensers. It is viable now - especially with the dismiss spell function - however it will be challengin. With palemaster you dont need melee either. Use the undead summons instead. I dont know what your end DC is going to look like, but if you can manage something around 35, then dominate monster ( or control undead for undead areas ) will take care of the fighting for you.
Moltrazahn wrote:10 pale master (crit immunity. As crits are the only thing that goes through mirror image)
3 dragonslayers (towershield, fullplate, weapon profeciency)
10 Arch mage (Need the +3 spell power to get to 30th CL)
7 sorcerer.
You mean 32CL, right? Dragon Slayer will give you 2CL for the 3 levels