Suggestion: Tokens that Replace Grinding/Quest XP
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:05 am
This is a suggestion for further thought, from another thread. Whether desired by Staff or not—or whether even possible—is left to Staff. But I would be excited to help work out the kinks, if it was taken up as a means to improve the Server (and evaluated for investment vs result factors).
Subject: How many Areas currently on BGTSCC?
My rough count:
68 Surface Areas in which mobs occur
(I've counted some areas, like Durlag's or Cloakwood Mines, as a single Area for this, though it may contain multiple area maps).
37 Underdark Areas in which mobs occur
(very few Areas were combined into a single value)
What I'm getting at here:
While I do my RL job, I've been thinking of the BGTSCC recurring issue of gaining Experience—via the acquisition of XP points—and the general disconnect between having to RP for it, or Grind for it...and the speed to which it seems mostly unsatisfactorily gained, by most Players. Or, I could be wrong on this, and it is just the most vocal Players!!
Anyway, I think we can generally agree that Grinding in general is less focused toward Role-play, and more focused to Level acquisition, which is often argued supports Role-play...eventually...based on Player need and preference. However! What most Players seem to universally care to experience is a sense of Story, both in the general experience of BGTSCC, but also in the particular experience of their PC's path to ultimate Experience gain (this being mechanically based statement, since many—though not all—have reached Lvl 30 with their PCs and those PCs still need plenty to learn (
) and continue to gain "experience" through Role-play means). But I have to state there: that factor cannot be gauged, at least, like the Lvl 30-requires-X number of Points-to-reach-X-power level. Etc etc.
Why I started counting Areas is that it occurred to me that one alternative to Grinding for XP, is to base Leveling off of Actual Experience, as it pertains to the Server as it exists.
In short: Levels 1–10 require a single "token" to advance each level. That is 10 Tokens. Levels 11–20 require two Tokens to advance each level. That is 20 Tokens. Levels 21–30 require three Tokens to advance each level. That is 30 Tokens.
All in all, the advancement from Level 1 to 30, would require 50 Tokens. Where are the Tokens coming from? 2 sources. The first source would be from reaching the End Point of an Area. Completed Hill Top ruins by reaching the wyrm? Automatically gain 1 token. Take that Token to a "Training NPC." Receive that particular Level. For example: if Hilltop Ruins are rated CR 8, then that particular Token grants Lvl 8.
The second source would be DM granted-for-Story-development Tokens. Maybe these count as half-value Tokens? However, for the Player, it could go something like this: develop and carry out a Player-initiated Storyline, document it or enact an effect both or separately via the Forums and IG, and just like the DMs evaluate and grant/deny Player Requests, the PC/Player can be rewarded a "Storyline Token" for the time and investment in...wait for it...Role-play.
So essentially, my idea here is to create 2 somewhat simple forms for Game Play: the adventuring-experience where each "successful" journey can lead to a direct gain of Experience; the non-adventuring-experience can lead to a direct gain of Experience. They have equal value!
The great thing is a Player can do both, and...Grinding for XP goes the way of the dinosaur (in RL) and Players are encouraged to travel the Entire Server (as must as can be directed) to gain Experience, and Leveling can actually be attributed to something gained/learned, over mindless killing and implausible repetitiveness.
This is the Working Idea, in brief form. There are many issues still to work out.
Like:
- Can XP via killing mobs be turned off?
- 68 Surface Areas exist, 50 Tokens needed for full advancement. Are there enough Areas in various CR ranges to spread evenly (?) for interesting/appropriate Level advancement? Can a Token be scripted to only grant a certain Level?
- Would Leveling be then far too fast? Could a Lvl 30 PC do an assisted "walk-through" of all the Areas with another newbie PC and have that newbie gain all the required 50 Tokens for advancement?
- How would Death—namely Fugue death—affect or not-affect this process?
- What can be gained be revisiting an Area after gaining its Token? How would that affect Loot?
- How can it be made more exciting, with additional challenges? Could there be Token trades, for example? As in: forgo the Token-for-Level trade, and gain something else (like: a house; a custom Item; some permanency for your PC's efforts built into the PW itself)?
Now I go back to work (RL job work). lol.
Subject: How many Areas currently on BGTSCC?
My rough count:
68 Surface Areas in which mobs occur
(I've counted some areas, like Durlag's or Cloakwood Mines, as a single Area for this, though it may contain multiple area maps).
37 Underdark Areas in which mobs occur
(very few Areas were combined into a single value)
What I'm getting at here:
While I do my RL job, I've been thinking of the BGTSCC recurring issue of gaining Experience—via the acquisition of XP points—and the general disconnect between having to RP for it, or Grind for it...and the speed to which it seems mostly unsatisfactorily gained, by most Players. Or, I could be wrong on this, and it is just the most vocal Players!!
Anyway, I think we can generally agree that Grinding in general is less focused toward Role-play, and more focused to Level acquisition, which is often argued supports Role-play...eventually...based on Player need and preference. However! What most Players seem to universally care to experience is a sense of Story, both in the general experience of BGTSCC, but also in the particular experience of their PC's path to ultimate Experience gain (this being mechanically based statement, since many—though not all—have reached Lvl 30 with their PCs and those PCs still need plenty to learn (
) and continue to gain "experience" through Role-play means). But I have to state there: that factor cannot be gauged, at least, like the Lvl 30-requires-X number of Points-to-reach-X-power level. Etc etc.Why I started counting Areas is that it occurred to me that one alternative to Grinding for XP, is to base Leveling off of Actual Experience, as it pertains to the Server as it exists.
In short: Levels 1–10 require a single "token" to advance each level. That is 10 Tokens. Levels 11–20 require two Tokens to advance each level. That is 20 Tokens. Levels 21–30 require three Tokens to advance each level. That is 30 Tokens.
All in all, the advancement from Level 1 to 30, would require 50 Tokens. Where are the Tokens coming from? 2 sources. The first source would be from reaching the End Point of an Area. Completed Hill Top ruins by reaching the wyrm? Automatically gain 1 token. Take that Token to a "Training NPC." Receive that particular Level. For example: if Hilltop Ruins are rated CR 8, then that particular Token grants Lvl 8.
The second source would be DM granted-for-Story-development Tokens. Maybe these count as half-value Tokens? However, for the Player, it could go something like this: develop and carry out a Player-initiated Storyline, document it or enact an effect both or separately via the Forums and IG, and just like the DMs evaluate and grant/deny Player Requests, the PC/Player can be rewarded a "Storyline Token" for the time and investment in...wait for it...Role-play.
So essentially, my idea here is to create 2 somewhat simple forms for Game Play: the adventuring-experience where each "successful" journey can lead to a direct gain of Experience; the non-adventuring-experience can lead to a direct gain of Experience. They have equal value!
The great thing is a Player can do both, and...Grinding for XP goes the way of the dinosaur (in RL) and Players are encouraged to travel the Entire Server (as must as can be directed) to gain Experience, and Leveling can actually be attributed to something gained/learned, over mindless killing and implausible repetitiveness.
This is the Working Idea, in brief form. There are many issues still to work out.
Like:
- Can XP via killing mobs be turned off?
- 68 Surface Areas exist, 50 Tokens needed for full advancement. Are there enough Areas in various CR ranges to spread evenly (?) for interesting/appropriate Level advancement? Can a Token be scripted to only grant a certain Level?
- Would Leveling be then far too fast? Could a Lvl 30 PC do an assisted "walk-through" of all the Areas with another newbie PC and have that newbie gain all the required 50 Tokens for advancement?
- How would Death—namely Fugue death—affect or not-affect this process?
- What can be gained be revisiting an Area after gaining its Token? How would that affect Loot?
- How can it be made more exciting, with additional challenges? Could there be Token trades, for example? As in: forgo the Token-for-Level trade, and gain something else (like: a house; a custom Item; some permanency for your PC's efforts built into the PW itself)?
Now I go back to work (RL job work). lol.
