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Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:46 pm
by Steve
Okay Wizards, here is a challenge for you:
I've got a INT-high melee Character and Build, which I've developed over a year (different Builds to come to a somewhat satisfaction). Yeah, I'm old and slow.
I find it pretty darn good, getting at lvl 30 and fully armed/buffed:
51 AC
43 AB
207 dmg per round avg.
Saves of 19 or higher for each three (plus 6 Spellcraft)
Plus it's got 286 Skill points, some Combat Clickables, and no negative Abilities. And, it can use an Exotic Weapon.
I'm just wondering if anyone has something with better Output than what I've listed. Or maybe some flair, to make it interesting. I never, ever, ever want to think about a Build for this Character again...and I'd actually be kinda amazed if I made a build that is kinda the best.

Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:23 pm
by fearknight2003
Is it using any +AC items? I want to try and beat that 51. Watch my failure and be amazed.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:29 pm
by Steve
I am fortunate to have +4 items for this Character (which is why it has the chance to reach such high AC in the first place).
A high INT Duelist is always a possibility but my Character does not use a piercing weapon.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:57 pm
by Akroma666
Hey Stevesy, I tried to make one myself, but I didn't actually see the final results in the numbers.
Here's the actual build so you can compare to your own:
http://nwn2db.com/build/?244652
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:18 am
by fearknight2003
Steve wrote:I am fortunate to have +4 items for this Character (which is why it has the chance to reach such high AC in the first place).
A high INT Duelist is always a possibility but my Character does not use a piercing weapon.
+4 armor, ring, necklace, boots? So 16 total from that?
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:38 am
by Steve
AC: 18 base + 4 AC armor + 8 mith full plate + 12 (set of natural/dodge/deflection) + 2 IMA + 4 Shield wand = 48 (+3 CE = 51)
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:50 am
by Calodan
Seems like a pretty standard build for an INT based GISH. I suppose it could get slightly better but that would probably need looser rules on builds other than 3b20.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:34 pm
by Steve
My build isn't a Gish, actually. The Character has always been a melee INT Fighter/Rogue type, so while maybe a Gish would make sense for high INT, he ain't no spell caster.
It would be soooo nice if Invisible Blade Bleeding Wound could be used with anything other than a light weapon, but alas.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:27 am
by Valefort
Well well I read that late but Mealir could compare to that, you should know it Steve
He had 46 AB, 49 AC using IMA and shield wand (+2 if you count dodge and sb dodge) the possibility to get +6 ac through ICE, I can't remember his saves but it was higher than 19 everywhere (but items and buffed here). As for the damage i'm not sure how you calculated it so I can't tell for sure but it's probably close. And ofc if one went for a min maxed version of Mealir with the right race he would get higher numbers.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:40 am
by Steve
Mealir was a tough cookie, no doubt about it. Especially before the Dispel Bug fix.
That's why the only way to challenge him was...emotionally!

Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:57 am
by Valefort
You torturer.
I'm not sure how badly the dispel fix would affect him, I used to cast only heroism and greater resistance and those were not fundamental, certainly a cool bonus though.
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:39 am
by Flasmix
http://nwn2db.com/build/?28835 -- Great build before the dispel fix
Highlights
- 13 Attacks/round with haste
- 44 AB - 33 Base + 5 GMW + 4 Greater Heroism + 2 Cats ((If you use Tensers it becomes 48 AB))
- 54 AC - 23 base + 2 Cats + 6 IMA +5 Nat (Shadowshield) +4 Dodge +4 Deflection +4 Shield + 6 ICE (Becomes high 60's if shapechanged into Nightwalker if I recall, haven't tested build in a while)
- No idea on average damage, but with Bulls Strength, Fox's Cunning and GMW it's +18 damage before weapon rolls and additional elemental damage.
- Can get high spot with spot gear
Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:57 am
by mrm3ntalist
Fighter12/Rogue3/Duelist10/SB5
If human
STR10 DEX16 INT18 WIS8 CHA8
Ending stats
STR10 DEX 17 INT25 WIS8 CHA8
Pros:
Damage: 9IS + 9CI +8F +4EB +1d6BaseRapier +2d6Precision = 40 + Flourish + Weapon extra damage.
AC: 10BASE + 9Duelist +5DEX + 4Deflection +4Dodge +4Natural + 4Armorbonus +3Tumble +1 LoH = 44 +3CE = 47 + IMA +Shield ( spell or rapier ) 51-52
AB: 39 +4EB +2DEX -3 ICE = 42
Saves: F19/R25/W9
Doesnt need Deflection item. Elaborate Parry + Parry skill for +4deflection
Doent need Mith armor. Plain robes with good stats are easier to find
318 Skill points!!!
Con
Wills saves
Carrying capacity
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Alright, here is the build
http://nwn2db.com/build/?245827
Experimenting with a SB/Duelitst/SD10. Parry + epic dodge for soloing bossess.
1st attack ( parried )
2nd attack ( if hit epic dodge )
3rd attack ( parried )
4th attack ( this attack happens at -15AB, The AC should be enough | If not hit at 2nd then epic dodge )
5th attack parried
6th attack -25AB, this should fail. I wonder how that will do against the white dragon

Re: Build Challenge/Advice for INT based melee-type
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:42 pm
by Valefort
Something like that ?
http://nwn2db.com/build/?120349
Unfortunately damage is a bit low but it's probably pretty funny to see in action !