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Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:12 am
by Shad
or it remain RP skill.
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:23 am
by Theodore01
rp only, the descrition is plain wrong

Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:14 am
by Calodan
I have a full 30 on Kory with it. So far Cryptkeeper Bigbys have not been stopping him like they did before.....you be the judge.
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:24 pm
by Theodore01
any update here ?
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:35 pm
by Valefort
The bigby 9 check is against the max of (AC, Escape Artist skill), same for bigby 8 and 7.
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:55 pm
by Theodore01
Valefort wrote:The bigby 9 check is against the max of (AC, Escape Artist skill), same for bigby 8 and 7.
so its AC or Escape artist skill ? - nice
And how much escape artist is required to be useful against PvM ?
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:29 pm
by Calodan
Valefort wrote:The bigby 9 check is against the max of (AC, Escape Artist skill), same for bigby 8 and 7.
Is this still true? Kory has full escape artist and I get stopped by a Bigby 9 everytime for a looooooooooong time. So if it is working then your CL for the casters is way to high and needs to be dropped. If max Escape artist with 49+ AC is not working there is something wrong......
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:48 pm
by Valefort
It takes the highest and the check is the vanilla one, ie for bigby 9 :
Caster Roll: d20 + Primary Spell Ability Modifier + Caster level + 12 - 1
Target Roll: max(Target's full AC, EscapeArtist score)
The DC is very much in favor of the caster, probably a bit too much.
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:57 pm
by YourMoveHolyMan
So for a 30 int wizard with 30 CL...
10+30+12-1=51 before you even roll the 1d20, assuming no other mods to the CL
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:13 pm
by Valefort
Actually for escape artist there's also a d20 so it's :
d20 + Primary Spell Ability Modifier + Caster level + 12 - 1 versus d20 + Escape Artist score
d20 + 51 vs d20 + 33 ranks + DEX mod + items
<=> d20 + 18 vs d20 + DEX mod + items, not that easy

Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:35 pm
by AC81
YourMoveHolyMan wrote:So for a 30 int wizard with 30 CL...
10+30+12-1=41 before you even roll the 1d20, assuming no other mods to the CL
Isn't this ~51?
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:37 pm
by YourMoveHolyMan
Wow, never math after a full day at work HolyMan, yes, 51, edited.
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:58 am
by Convolutedline
I wanna know this for my next level up
so if I get escape artist 20
and my ac is 20 [this includes wards maybe - are wards part of the calculation?]
that means my base chance would be 40? + 1d20 to escape vs aforementioned
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:00 am
by Nemni
Do PCs and NPCs use the same bigby spells now?
Re: Escape Artist - does it work againt bigbies?
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:59 am
by Valefort
Convolutedline wrote:I wanna know this for my next level up
so if I get escape artist 20
and my ac is 20 [this includes wards maybe - are wards part of the calculation?]
that means my base chance would be 40? + 1d20 to escape vs aforementioned
Try again
It's the maximum, not the sum of the two. And yes NPCs still use the old bigbys.