Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Okay so I know that I am a lover of WM. Not to be confused with......

What I suggest is that since it is already a feat intensive build is that we add 3 levels bringing it up a full 10 level PRC and the 10th level grants the ability to Critically attack non-crit monsters for 1/2 damage of the full crit attack. Something that pretty much makes this mostly useless class even more useless on this server is the incredible amount of monsters with crit immune.

Also WM was a great combo to throw in a 3 level dip of a prc here and there but many builds do not use it since well you are effectively giving up 7 levels of power in the epics when fighting anything with crit immune. So vs undead a level 30 is now a level 23.

Now I know the argument for magic users who would then take this PRC but remember we fixed dispel so those GISH casters are not as powerful now since you can just nuke em with any mords or hit em with a great dispel and likely strip some power from them. By adding 3 levels to take get that crit ability you also further lower any gish's caster level. Thus making them think even harder about taking another dip of something that does not grant caster levels. Plus I can not think of a more feat intensive class PRC in the game right now than WM. You have really sacrifice some things to get it and to get it early you pretty much have to be a pure fighter. Most GISH builds won't see that 10th level WM until mid epic levels. So for example a 20FvS/10WM could only reach 24CL if they only do that class. Any further dips would degrade it further and most people would only take another 4 levels max leaving with full caster progression but only 20CL which means with the dispel caps the way they are any Tom, (person), Jane and Jill could strip them with a G.Dispel.

I think this could improve melee a bit and would not be overly taken by gish builds since it has so many feats in conjunction with the 10 level progression that severely hampers CL.

I wouldn't be for this unless we made it impossible to take WM and FB together. Supreme PA critical is DEVASTATING and even at 1/2 damage crits they'd become insanely powerful... Simply put this class has a similar disadvantage to Rogue, but while rogue can get 1/2 damage through selection of a feat they also have WAY more downsides to a WM build (less staying power such as lower AC and HP, lower BAB and generally less base damage, making the SA required to do any damage at all against DR enemies). WM builds generally have the option of using a shield or going two handed for more AC or more damage, while SA reliant builds generally don't have any option for doing more damage (simple/rogue weapon proficiency in many cases alongside DEX built for PTWF making STR for damage not an option).

Basically this would take away one of the few disadvantages WM builds have, and when mixed with FB it would make them the best damage dealers on the server. Imagine a 32 STR F/WM/FB with a scimitar using Supreme Power Attack... Even at half damage he would slay...now add a FS, Cleric, Wiz or Sorc buddy to buff him up (or a bunch of wands). It would be OP for our server IMO... Heck even with just IPA turned on he could land some serious crits.

Again, not saying this isn't something to consider, but I think it would require a serious look at feats/classes to balance it (such as making it a 'mode' so it can't be used in conjunction with PA feats...so the character could 'turn on 1/2 crit to crit immune' but that would mean turning off PA/IPA/SPA).

I am all for banning the FB/WM combo many servers already have. The thought process being FB are Chaotic and WMs are Lawful. The two can not coexist on the fact that a barbarian does not really practice precision but instead pure brute strength. Where a WM is a precision fighter. They work countless hours to hone their skill. While we are at it can we bring back Elemental Warrior? The elemental damages that are granted for that do not critical attack.

///Spoiler is conversation not needed to the suggestion.

I actually made the same suggestion several years ago. It would go a long way to revitalizing this interesting PrC which right now is not cost efective. You need 6 feats and everyting that WM brings to the table is nullified by Crit Immunity which is present on lots of high end critters.

However, I agree with Chad's opinon about needing to ban WM/FB combos if this goes in. Frankly, I advocate banning WM/FB combinations regardless of this.

Calodan wrote:What I suggest is that since it is already a feat intensive build is that we add 3 levels bringing it up a full 10 level PRC

WM is already a 10 level PrC... you dont get any feats after 7, just ki hit uses but no one cares about that so there is no point in taking the last 3 levels

WMs suck against crit immune yes, but unlike rogues who are usually dex based, WM tend to be str based and still do ok base damage

WM is also already a rather loaded PrC as it is

and banning WM/FB because its a glass cannon wouldnt really work out well, its already a non magical, non UMD access combo on a server where if you dont have buffs you are not lasting too long, the one thing it has to its advantage is the high damage output

if we were to actually get rid of WM/FB then why play a fighter at all? everyone would be building tanks

if Calodan's idea were to be considered, I like the idea of making a level 10 WM ability to grant 1/2 critical damage as a mode that must be activated. In this manner there is no need to ban WM/FB combo's, since basically if fighting crit immune the WM/FB would have to chose between ICE, SPA, or mode to gain 1/2 crit.

well at that point we are talking about 3 extra nearly pointless levels to do about the same damage between 1/2 crit and IPA

but if its added in as an option (mode) then whatever

Blackman D wrote:well at that point we are talking about 3 extra nearly pointless levels to do about the same damage between 1/2 crit and IPA

but if its added in as an option (mode) then whatever

We could always discuss ruin weapons again... *runs for cover*

bad chad! *shoots at him*