Bear Warrior questions/issues - ran into them IG

[Rudolph]

Maybe this should go into the bug section, but maybe this is simply a question of information deficit in the wiki. Please let me know if you know...

In any case, I am appealing to experienced Bear Warrior players and my question is: do the below effects happen throughout all levels of the class or are they specific to the smallest Bear Form? If the former, will they be fixed?

So, I have just taken the first Bear Warrior level and tested the Bear Form because I couldn't find reliable information. I noticed several things on the character sheet:

1) My WIS gets reduced by 2 in Bear Form. This is not in the Wiki and should not happen, should it? (My item WIS bonus does transfer, though - I tried with and without item and it made a difference)

2) My CHA and INT both get raised by 2 in Bear Form.

3) When taking the first Barbarian level, I had the option of not taking one of the two available rages, but instead taking Powerful Charge, which I did, seeing that I will only use the Bear Form rage in the future. This worked alright, but, see next question:

4) The Bear Form rage struck me as very short. I wonder if it already has the new Barbarian rage extension built in. In another forum thread, I was told the extension should apply. Now I am wondering whether it is there or whether it might be missing because I didn't pick one of the regular Barbarian rages earlier. What do you think?

[Akroma666]

Hellooooo
Experienced Bear warrior here, and I thought the only one on the server.. YAY! I have friends!

1. Your ability bonuses should transfer over, as of right now the code to polymorph into bear is SUPER buggy. Expect this to hopefully change with the next patch as QC just updated the code seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=443&t=55019&p=698534#p698534
2. Again, the item bonuses should transfer
3. You should take one of the 2 rage types.. there shouldn't be any other options.
4. The rage extension is NOT yet included. It should be included in the new patch once the changes go live. As of right now, its:

Rage Duration: Base (5) + base CON modifier + 3 rounds, +5 rounds for each extend rage feat.

For Future bear warrior bugs post-patch, see this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=53113

[Valefort]

For 1&2 you probably play an Orc ? The racial adjustments for mental attributes weren't taken into account and are visibly removed while you polymorph into a bear. They can be added if need be (would it matter though ? ).

[Theodore01]

3) When taking the first Barbarian level, I had the option of not taking one of the two available rages, but instead taking Powerful Charge, which I did, seeing that I will only use the Bear Form rage in the future.

For some weeks the barbarian feat choice was messed up, so as you got a bonus feat at lv1 (as a bug) - your char. is illegal now and you should make a new one, the choice of rages works now.

[Rudolph]

For 1&2 you probably play an Orc ? The racial adjustments for mental attributes weren't taken into account and are visibly removed while you polymorph into a bear. They can be added if need be (would it matter though ? ).

That must be it. I do play an Orc. And curiously enough, it does matter for my build . You know I'm always trying out weird stuff. If you can fix this, Valefort, please do! Is there a date for all those fixes - also with regard to damage transfer - to go live?

[Rudolph]

your char. is illegal now and you should make a new one, the choice of rages works now.

Looks like I need to anyway. But first I need to wait to hear whether those mental ability bonuses get preserved in bear form or not.

Thanks, guys, for all those highly informative links, btw. So extra weapon damage will soon get transferred? Vampirism as well? Poison?

And what about ability or feat transfers from weapons? I know that at the moment, abilities on weapons don't get transfered. What about feats?

[Valefort]

The only weapon properties that will get transferred are the damage bonuses, ie acid/fire/sonic/cold/electricty, as well as piercing/slashing/bludgeoning bonuses.

Only the bonuses on either the weapon or the golves will be transferred, not both.

As for the mental attributes I'll do that since they're supposed to remain the same. No date for these fixes, probably in the next update.

[Theodore01]

The only weapon properties that will get transferred are the damage bonuses, ie acid/fire/sonic/cold/electricty, as well as piercing/slashing/bludgeoning bonuses.

Only the bonuses on either the weapon or the golves will be transferred, not both.

As for the mental attributes I'll do that since they're supposed to remain the same. No date for these fixes, probably in the next update.

Wait, that's unfair regarding any other brawler type.
Properties from gloves/gauntlets would be OK, but not from weapons. Fist Fighters never had CI or AS or vampiric abilities.

[Valefort]

How is that unfair ? You can find the same properties on weapons and on gloves as far as I know (I'd say it's much easier to find them on gloves even).

Also Bear warriors are not fist fighters, they shapechange.

Last, vampiric is not a property that will be transferred (unless I messed up but I think not), only the damage bonuses I listed.

To give an example a greatsword of doom with +5 EB, +3 vamp regen, +1 acid will only transfer +1 acid.

Gloves of the yellow rose, 4 AB, +1d4 sound damage will transfer +1d4 sound damage.

[Rudolph]

What about shields, Valefort? Do feats, ability bonuses, and DR on those transfer?

[Valefort]

No, actually some things did transfer from the shield but I had to change that because the AC was changed in unexpected ways.

The only thing that is transferred from the shield will be half its AC enchantment.

Properties (as far as I know all of them, feats, ability bonuses, skill bonuses .. everything) on the helmet, armor, rings, amulets, cloak, boots, belt and bracer are transferred as they are (except AC).

[Rudolph]

Properties (as far as I know all of them, feats, ability bonuses, skill bonuses .. everything) on the helmet, armor, rings, amulets, cloak, boots, belt and bracer are transferred as they are (except AC).

I'm slightly confused by the "(except AC)" here. I presume you mean "except Dodge AC". After all, Armor, Deflection, and Natural should all transfer as well...

[Valefort]

They transfer as described in the description of the class, what I meant is they're treated separately.

[Aurali]

I know as a Druid that you lose racial bonuses and negatives when you shift. I imagine that is the case for bear warrior. You are technically not a gray orc anymore but whatever animal it is you shifted into. If you are making the change to allow bear warriors to keep racial modifiers, would it also be possible to do the same for druids?