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Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:18 am
by Marathados
Hello everybody!

Over the xmas holidays I worked on some kind of a spellsword build:

http://nwn2db.com/build/?246049

Any input is most appreciated...

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:22 am
by Marathados
Oh, just realized myself combat insight will not help at all... damnit

Maybe expose weakness would be nice? (changed that for now)

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:39 pm
by Valefort
I would probably drop the 4th level of Whirling Dervish and the 6th level of Dragonslayer for 2 levels of wizard to reach CL 28. Also I would drop combat expertise to pick power attack, low damage otherwise.

Apart from that you could lower the DEX since you'll be able to use a full plate and cast cat's grace, then pump STR to 17 at start so that you end up at 24 and benefit fully from bull's strength.

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:00 pm
by Marathados
Power attack? Totally agreed. CE was a relict from the useless combat insight.

Two more wizard levels would net me cl28, but I would lose two ab, problem?

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:39 pm
by Valefort
If you go with 17 STR at start you'll end up at 24 base STR and thus your AB will be :

23 (BAB) + 9 (STR modifier) +1 (epic prowess) +5 (greater magic weapon) +4 (greater heroism) = 42 AB with long term buffs, 39 with PA on. 42 is plenty fine when you have expose weakness, turn PA on after landing 1 or 2 expose weakness when needed and it's all good :)

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:21 am
by Marathados
I see. Makes sense.

Although I am not sure, if I like to use evasion in heavy armor. Part of the reason I thought about dex 16 is, that I wanted to use a mithral breastplate in the end.

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:48 am
by Valefort
I can only approve that reasoning :D

Maybe start STR at 15 and use the remaining points in CHA or WIS then drop blind fight for weapon focus to compensate the AB loss ?

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:10 am
by Marathados
Build updated to achieve CL28; Str lowered to 15, Wis raised to 10

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:26 pm
by Marathados
Comments Only wrote:
chambordini wrote:Anyone care to give me their best eldritch knight 10, wiz 10, dragonslayer 10 build?

You know, something with autostill, enough ab to be able to use IPA, ok defenses, passable damage, semi decent hit points? I invite you to give me a link to such in the nwn2db.
Wizard 6 / Arcane Scholar 7 / Eldritch Knight 10 / Dragon Slayer 7.

BAB : 23 (Five Attacks)
Caster Level : 30 (With practised spell caster)

Starting stats:

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STR : 16 (+ 6 ability increases, + 2 great strength feats)
DEX : Whatever you fancy
CON : Whatever you fancy
INT : 18 (+ 1 ability increase)
WIS : Whatever you fancy
CHA : Whatever you fancy 
Feats:

Level 1: Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
Level 3: Martial Weapon Proficiency
Level 5: Empower Spell (Wizard bonus feat)
Level 6: Iron Will, (EK grants Combat casting, Skill Focus (Concentration))
Level 9: Northlander Hewing
Level 12: Dodge
Level 15: Practised Spellcaster
Level 18: Still Spell
Level 21: Great Strength I
Level 23: Great Strength II
Level 25: Automatic: Still Spell I
Level 27: Automatic: Still Spell II
Level 29: Automatic: Still Spell III

As for damage...

This build will reach base strength of 24, which is 28 with Bull's Strength or Tesner's Transformation.

One handed damage with a mundane longsword:
8 (Long Sword) + 9 (Strength) + 9 (Northlander hewing) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon)
= 31

Two handed damage with a mundane longsword:
8 (Long Sword) + 13 (Strength) + 9 (Northlander hewing) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon)
= 35

Without Tesner's Transformation your AB will be:
23 (BAB) + 9 (Strength) + 4 (Greater Heroism) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon) - 2 (Northlander Hewing)
= 39, 34, 29

With Tesner's Transformation your AB will be:
23 (BAB) + 9 (Strength) + 4 (Greater Heroism) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon) - 2 (Northlander Hewing) + 7 (Tesner's Transformation)
= 46, 41, 36

AC:
10 (Base)
+ 8 (Full Plate)
+ 1 (Dexterity bonus)
+ 6 (Greater Mage Armor)
+ 4 (Shield spell)
+ 3 (Dodge boots)
+ 3 (Deflection)
+ 5 (Natural from Spiderskin)
+ 3 (Tumble)
- 2 (Northlander Hewing)
= 41 (You can use a heavy shield or tower shield to make it slightly higher)

Now, the fact is that your Northlander Hewing damage output is not comparable to that of a strength based Barbarian. (About half of it.) However, you do have multitude of defenses at your disposal from from concealment, to mirror images, and blanket immunities. Not to mention ability to throw some empowered and maximized orbs, rays, and missile storms for a bit of extra arcane flavor.

Also, the things that I have sketched down here... are not exactly min-maxed. So just pointing out that Northlander Hewing feat is a valid alternative for Improved Power attack.

Improved Power attack costs two feats and -6 AB, for 6 or 12 points of damage.

While Northlander Hewing costs one feat, -2 AB, and two attacks that are likely to be misses, for 12,5~ points of damage. (With the previously mentioned build and weapon, with some other build this transaction will be different.)


Just bringing it up since no one mentioned Northlander Hewing...
Quoting the excellent post of "Comments Only" from the bladesinger thread...

My next lvl will be 18. Would Northlander Hewing be preferrable to Power Attack?
I underline, that one further benefit of Northlander Hewing would be that Combat Casting could be used with it...

My build: http://nwn2db.com/build/?246049

Input, as always, much appreciated!

Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:30 pm
by Marathados
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