Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!
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Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!
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Over the xmas holidays I worked on some kind of a spellsword build:
http://nwn2db.com/build/?246049
Any input is most appreciated...
Over the xmas holidays I worked on some kind of a spellsword build:
http://nwn2db.com/build/?246049
Any input is most appreciated...
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Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!
Oh, just realized myself combat insight will not help at all... damnit
Maybe expose weakness would be nice? (changed that for now)
Maybe expose weakness would be nice? (changed that for now)
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Re: Spellsword build - Critique most welcome!
I would probably drop the 4th level of Whirling Dervish and the 6th level of Dragonslayer for 2 levels of wizard to reach CL 28. Also I would drop combat expertise to pick power attack, low damage otherwise.
Apart from that you could lower the DEX since you'll be able to use a full plate and cast cat's grace, then pump STR to 17 at start so that you end up at 24 and benefit fully from bull's strength.
Apart from that you could lower the DEX since you'll be able to use a full plate and cast cat's grace, then pump STR to 17 at start so that you end up at 24 and benefit fully from bull's strength.
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Power attack? Totally agreed. CE was a relict from the useless combat insight.
Two more wizard levels would net me cl28, but I would lose two ab, problem?
Two more wizard levels would net me cl28, but I would lose two ab, problem?
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If you go with 17 STR at start you'll end up at 24 base STR and thus your AB will be :
23 (BAB) + 9 (STR modifier) +1 (epic prowess) +5 (greater magic weapon) +4 (greater heroism) = 42 AB with long term buffs, 39 with PA on. 42 is plenty fine when you have expose weakness, turn PA on after landing 1 or 2 expose weakness when needed and it's all good
23 (BAB) + 9 (STR modifier) +1 (epic prowess) +5 (greater magic weapon) +4 (greater heroism) = 42 AB with long term buffs, 39 with PA on. 42 is plenty fine when you have expose weakness, turn PA on after landing 1 or 2 expose weakness when needed and it's all good
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I see. Makes sense.
Although I am not sure, if I like to use evasion in heavy armor. Part of the reason I thought about dex 16 is, that I wanted to use a mithral breastplate in the end.
Although I am not sure, if I like to use evasion in heavy armor. Part of the reason I thought about dex 16 is, that I wanted to use a mithral breastplate in the end.
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I can only approve that reasoning 
Maybe start STR at 15 and use the remaining points in CHA or WIS then drop blind fight for weapon focus to compensate the AB loss ?
Maybe start STR at 15 and use the remaining points in CHA or WIS then drop blind fight for weapon focus to compensate the AB loss ?
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Build updated to achieve CL28; Str lowered to 15, Wis raised to 10
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Quoting the excellent post of "Comments Only" from the bladesinger thread...Comments Only wrote:Wizard 6 / Arcane Scholar 7 / Eldritch Knight 10 / Dragon Slayer 7.chambordini wrote:Anyone care to give me their best eldritch knight 10, wiz 10, dragonslayer 10 build?
You know, something with autostill, enough ab to be able to use IPA, ok defenses, passable damage, semi decent hit points? I invite you to give me a link to such in the nwn2db.
BAB : 23 (Five Attacks)
Caster Level : 30 (With practised spell caster)
Starting stats:
Feats:Code: Select all
STR : 16 (+ 6 ability increases, + 2 great strength feats) DEX : Whatever you fancy CON : Whatever you fancy INT : 18 (+ 1 ability increase) WIS : Whatever you fancy CHA : Whatever you fancy
Level 1: Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
Level 3: Martial Weapon Proficiency
Level 5: Empower Spell (Wizard bonus feat)
Level 6: Iron Will, (EK grants Combat casting, Skill Focus (Concentration))
Level 9: Northlander Hewing
Level 12: Dodge
Level 15: Practised Spellcaster
Level 18: Still Spell
Level 21: Great Strength I
Level 23: Great Strength II
Level 25: Automatic: Still Spell I
Level 27: Automatic: Still Spell II
Level 29: Automatic: Still Spell III
As for damage...
This build will reach base strength of 24, which is 28 with Bull's Strength or Tesner's Transformation.
One handed damage with a mundane longsword:
8 (Long Sword) + 9 (Strength) + 9 (Northlander hewing) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon)
= 31
Two handed damage with a mundane longsword:
8 (Long Sword) + 13 (Strength) + 9 (Northlander hewing) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon)
= 35
Without Tesner's Transformation your AB will be:
23 (BAB) + 9 (Strength) + 4 (Greater Heroism) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon) - 2 (Northlander Hewing)
= 39, 34, 29
With Tesner's Transformation your AB will be:
23 (BAB) + 9 (Strength) + 4 (Greater Heroism) + 5 (Greater Magic Weapon) - 2 (Northlander Hewing) + 7 (Tesner's Transformation)
= 46, 41, 36
AC:
10 (Base)
+ 8 (Full Plate)
+ 1 (Dexterity bonus)
+ 6 (Greater Mage Armor)
+ 4 (Shield spell)
+ 3 (Dodge boots)
+ 3 (Deflection)
+ 5 (Natural from Spiderskin)
+ 3 (Tumble)
- 2 (Northlander Hewing)
= 41 (You can use a heavy shield or tower shield to make it slightly higher)
Now, the fact is that your Northlander Hewing damage output is not comparable to that of a strength based Barbarian. (About half of it.) However, you do have multitude of defenses at your disposal from from concealment, to mirror images, and blanket immunities. Not to mention ability to throw some empowered and maximized orbs, rays, and missile storms for a bit of extra arcane flavor.
Also, the things that I have sketched down here... are not exactly min-maxed. So just pointing out that Northlander Hewing feat is a valid alternative for Improved Power attack.
Improved Power attack costs two feats and -6 AB, for 6 or 12 points of damage.
While Northlander Hewing costs one feat, -2 AB, and two attacks that are likely to be misses, for 12,5~ points of damage. (With the previously mentioned build and weapon, with some other build this transaction will be different.)
Just bringing it up since no one mentioned Northlander Hewing...
My next lvl will be 18. Would Northlander Hewing be preferrable to Power Attack?
I underline, that one further benefit of Northlander Hewing would be that Combat Casting could be used with it...
My build: http://nwn2db.com/build/?246049
Input, as always, much appreciated!
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