Practiced Invoker giving incorrect Blast dice

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Practiced Invoker giving incorrect Blast dice

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So I was testing a build on JEGs and I noticed I was getting the wrong Eldritch Blast dice at higher levels. Though my build was more than 4 caster levels below my hit die, I was only getting +1d6 to my blast dice instead of +2d6. I went back and tested at lower levels and found that it correctly increases your blast dice by +2d6 right up until warlock 9. I'm assuming this is because of the way that warlock's blast progression rate changes. Practiced Invoker gives its increases at completely different levels than the warlock blast progression after level 9. Basically it seems that while the basic blast progression speeds up, the practiced invoker progression stays at the original rate and thus starts falling behind.
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Warlock 1: 1d6 + 2d6 from PI for 3d6 total
Warlock 2: 1d6 + 2d6 from PI for 3d6 total
Warlock 3: 2d6 + 2d6 from PI for 4d6 total
Warlock 4: 2d6 + 2d6 from PI for 4d6 total
Warlock 5: 3d6 + 2d6 from PI for 5d6 total
Warlock 6: 3d6 + 2d6 from PI for 5d6 total
Warlock 7: 4d6 + 2d6 from PI for 6d6 total
Warlock 8: 4d6 + 2d6 from PI for 6d6 total
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Warlock 9: 5d6 + 1d6 from PI for 6d6 total
Warlock 10: 5d6 + 2d6 from PI for 7d6 total
Warlock 11: 6d6 + 1d6 from PI for 7d6 total
Warlock 12: 6d6 + 1d6 from PI for 7d6 total
Warlock 13: 6d6 + 2d6 from PI for 8d6 total
Warlock 14: 7d6 + 1d6 from PI for 8d6 total
Warlock 15: 7d6 + 1d6 from PI for 8d6 total
Warlock 16: 7d6 + 2d6 from PI for 9d6 total

and so on. All of above levels were done in a build where they were more than 4 caster levels below hit die.
Last edited by Rhifox on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:28 pm, edited 8 times in total.
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Re: Practiced Invoker stops giving correct Blast dice

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Might be related to this topic.
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Re: Practiced Invoker giving incorrect Blast dice

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Table is correct with values for Blast Progression + practiced invoker. No errors/bugs here.

[Edit] Except for the description of the feat itself.
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Re: Practiced Invoker giving incorrect Blast dice

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Copying from what we discussed on the IRC:

The problem seems to be in the description rather than the actual progression. The description implies that you always get +2 more, while the mechanics are built around the caster level (16 warlock + 4 from PI = 20 warlock, ergo 9d6. 14 warlock + 4 from PI = 18 meaning 8d6 is accurate there).

So the issue is the description, because the description is very misleading and depicts it as doing something completely different from what it actually does.
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Re: Practiced Invoker giving incorrect Blast dice

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Mmm, to recap:

The orange highlighted section between CL 11-20, blast dice advances 1d6 every 3rd level.
The red highlights are discrepancies between what actually happens mechanically now, and what it should be if Kaedrin's feat description was mechanically correct.
[table]
[tr][td=1]Warlock Level[/td][td=1]Base Blast Dice Total[/td][td=1]Practiced Invoker (+4) Caster Level[/td][td=1]Practiced Invoker Blast Dice Total[/td][td=1]Blast Total acc. to Kaedrin's Feat Description[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]1d6[/td][td]5[/td][td]3d6[/td][td]3d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]1d6[/td][td]6[/td][td]3d6[/td][td]3d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]2d6[/td][td]7[/td][td]4d6[/td][td]4d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]2d6[/td][td]8[/td][td]4d6[/td][td]4d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]3d6[/td][td]9[/td][td]5d6[/td][td]5d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]6[/td][td]3d6[/td][td]10[/td][td]5d6[/td][td]5d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]7[/td][td]4d6[/td][td]11[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]6d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]8[/td][td]4d6[/td][td]12[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]6d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]9[/td][td]5d6[/td][td]13[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]7d6[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td][td]5d6[/td][td]14[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]7d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]11[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]15[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]8d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]12[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]16[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]8d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]13[/td][td]6d6[/td][td]17[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]8d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]14[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]18[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]9d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]15[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]19[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]9d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]16[/td][td]7d6[/td][td]20[/td][td]9d6[/td][td]9d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]17[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]21[/td][td]9d6[/td][td]10d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]18[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]22[/td][td]10d6[/td][td]10d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]19[/td][td]8d6[/td][td]23[/td][td]10d6[/td][td]10d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]20[/td][td]9d6[/td][td]24[/td][td]11d6[/td][td]11d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]21[/td][td]9d6[/td][td]25[/td][td]11d6[/td][td]11d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]22[/td][td]10d6[/td][td]26[/td][td]12d6[/td][td]12d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]23[/td][td]10d6[/td][td]27[/td][td]12d6[/td][td]12d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]24[/td][td]11d6[/td][td]28[/td][td]13d6[/td][td]13d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]25[/td][td]11d6[/td][td]29[/td][td]13d6[/td][td]13d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]26[/td][td]12d6[/td][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]14d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]27[/td][td]12d6[/td][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]14d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]28[/td][td]13d6[/td][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]14d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]29[/td][td]13d6[/td][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]14d6[/td][/tr][tr][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]30[/td][td]14d6[/td][td]14d6[/td][/tr][/table]
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